Due to the chilly weather, Goodman Pool, Madison Parks Beaches and Cypress Spray Park will be closed today. The only exception will be for Goodman Pool swimming lessons - those will be held as scheduled.
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Tuesday, June 30, 2009
Too Cool for Pool
Pool and Beaches Closed today . . .
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Another Demolition
Torn down to expand a yard . . . because the house was neglected.
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Please be advised that Edwin Tallard will be filing a demolition permit application on July 15, 2009 for Plan Commission review that calls for a Single Family Home located at 5722 Lake Mendota Dr Madison, WI 53705 to be demolished. For more information regarding this forthcoming application, you may contact the applicant, Edwin Tallard, 5718 Lake Mendota Dr Madison, WI 53705 at edwintallard@gmail.com or (608)235-8494.
Applicant's Comments:
The dilapidated building we bought in Nov of '08 is in a severe state of disrepair. It was built in 1955. In heavy rain, water flows down through the garage and throughout the utility room. Due to numerous leaks in the roof over the last 15 yrs the home is filled with mold and decay. The future plans for the lot are leveling it to expand my yard. I also will be planting a vegetable garden, planting grass, and several small evergreen trees on the perimeter.
If you have any questions about the Plan Commission demolition permit approval process, please contact the City of Madison Planning Division at (608) 266-4635.
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Monday, June 29, 2009
Meetings only 3 days Week Ahead
Really short week ahead or the schedule isn't updated yet . . .
Monday, June 29, 2009
9:00 AM SUSTAINABLE DESIGN AND ENERGY COMMITTEE PRIVATE SECTOR WORK GROUP CONFERENCE CALLS ROOM 107A CCB
What the hell kind of a notice is this? It doesn't say what they will be talking about.
4:30 PM BOARD OF ESTIMATES ROOM 260 MMB
Yawn. This looks like a 15 minute meeting, max.
Wednesday, July 1, 2009
4:30 PM URBAN DESIGN COMMISSION ROOM LL-110 MMB
1900 E Washington Ave
Lisa Link Peace Park
5:00 PM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION ROOM LL-130 MMB
Economic Development Workplan
5:00 PM HOUSING COMMITTEE ROOM 260 MMB
Affordable Housing Trust Fund
Thursday, July 2, 2009
4:30 PM MADISON PUBLIC LIBRARY BOARD SOUTH MADISON BRANCH LIBRARY, 2222 S PARK ST
Planning for the new Central Library
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Monday, June 29, 2009
9:00 AM SUSTAINABLE DESIGN AND ENERGY COMMITTEE PRIVATE SECTOR WORK GROUP CONFERENCE CALLS ROOM 107A CCB
What the hell kind of a notice is this? It doesn't say what they will be talking about.
4:30 PM BOARD OF ESTIMATES ROOM 260 MMB
Yawn. This looks like a 15 minute meeting, max.
Wednesday, July 1, 2009
4:30 PM URBAN DESIGN COMMISSION ROOM LL-110 MMB
1900 E Washington Ave
Lisa Link Peace Park
5:00 PM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION ROOM LL-130 MMB
Economic Development Workplan
5:00 PM HOUSING COMMITTEE ROOM 260 MMB
Affordable Housing Trust Fund
Thursday, July 2, 2009
4:30 PM MADISON PUBLIC LIBRARY BOARD SOUTH MADISON BRANCH LIBRARY, 2222 S PARK ST
Planning for the new Central Library
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Friday, June 26, 2009
The Big Friday Round Up
Oh my goodness, where to begin . . .how about the hairbrained ideas coming out of Meadowood . . .
SCREW THE 4TH AMENDMENT
Is the City Attorney Michael May smoking crack? Or maybe he's still out of town? Looking for more work for his office? Or maybe the Mayor failed to consult with him? I wonder how much money its going to cost the city when they go all the way to the Supreme Court to litigate the new search and seizure practices proposed by the Mayor and police department? Seriously, warrantless searches. What happens when something besides a gun turns up? What if its just a baggy of pot? Will the kids or their parents be prosecuted for that instead? I mean, once the parents consent, what protections do they and their children have? Are they banking on everyone being low income and not being able to get an attorney who will challenge this?
IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF TIME, LOITERING IS BACK
MORE OFFENSIVE THAN EVER!
Those darn constitutional rights, they are so bothersome to the City!
Thought #1. Ok, now I'm really beginning to think the City Attorney's office is raiding the police evidence room for personal use on a regular basis. Loitering laws that only apply to certain geographic areas of the city? Wow, are they really that afraid of budget cuts that they are trying to ensure that they have continued employment. Looks like another case to be taken to the Supreme Court at our expense.
Thought #2. Get me a map, we can just circle the areas of the city where there are concentrations of people of color, and that is where the law will be applied. I mean, why even bother trying to legally figure out how to have a law that applies in only come areas of the City? Seriously, it's the only place it will be enforced anyways. Someone call the ACLU!
Thought #3. Emily Mills does another good job breaking down the issue. I especially like how she points out the criminals drive cars, why don't we just let police pull over cars without reason.
MEANWHILE, A TREE FALLS IN THE FOREST
With all this talk about safety you'd think that the public hearing on how the police department is going to spend $200,000 would have gotten some attention. But no . . . Kristin Czubkoski was the only one to show up. I guess I called it. Sometimes I wish I wasn't right. But I maintain, why would anyone show up if they don't have anything provided to comment on? Apparently police think its the time of the meeting that is the problem. Not.
COPS WILL GET THEIR RIFLES, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER
Ah, now I know why they didn't tell us what they wanted to spend the money on BEFORE the public hearing! Somewhere in the city, Satya Rhodes-Conway's head exploded when she opened the email and found out the money will be spent as follows:
I'm going to say something nice about the Madison Police Department. At the rally for driver's cards and tuition cuts for immigrants in Wisconsin, a uniformed City of Madison Police Officer showed up to the rally, spoke, fielded questions from local media and I presume helped lobbying for the right thing! Thank you!
OH, NOW ITS A GOOD IDEA
Remember the budget last year, when I had all those lousy amendments that were just a waste of time and annoying. Well, turns out, that my amendment that would have implemented landlord registration and paid for itself is now a good idea according to the Mayor. Good thing Alder Julia Kerr worked with city staff and has had the ordinance drafted for months cuz the Mayor can just take credit for it when it passes without doing any of the work. Glad he finally came around and see the merit . . . or more likely, he has his eye on the revenue stream.
WYOU GOES PLATINUM
Great article on Barbara Bolan, the new Executive Director. Donate now. Or come to the fundraiser July 12th at 4:00 at the High Noon Saloon. Details here. Lend your hand to the wall of support and help save this valuable community resource. It is, after all, our television station.
HOMELESS, DON'T CALL US UNLESS ITS BETWEEN 8:00a.m. & 4:00p.m.
Wow. Why would it take weeks to get voice mail up and running? They've already been having problems for days.
ALDER SHIVA BIDAR-SIELAFF REMINDS US
Friday at dusk: please light a candle to show your support for the brave people of Iran who are fighting for freedom. (Iranian prodemocracy leaders have called for this international show of solidarity)
HOUSING UPDATE - A PEOPLE'S AGENDA
Thanks to everyone who showed up last night, it will take a bit before the notes are all typed up, but when they are, they will be sent to the participants and I'm sure I'll blog some part of it. There were also reporters there from the Cap Times (Kristin and Pat), as well as the Isthmus and Street Pulse, so you might find something there. Thanks to Kristin who chose to spend her birthday with us!
Sorry to disappoint you and end on a positive, positively unsnarky note or two, but the items were timely and people will be asking. And, I had more, but ran out of time . . .
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SCREW THE 4TH AMENDMENT
Is the City Attorney Michael May smoking crack? Or maybe he's still out of town? Looking for more work for his office? Or maybe the Mayor failed to consult with him? I wonder how much money its going to cost the city when they go all the way to the Supreme Court to litigate the new search and seizure practices proposed by the Mayor and police department? Seriously, warrantless searches. What happens when something besides a gun turns up? What if its just a baggy of pot? Will the kids or their parents be prosecuted for that instead? I mean, once the parents consent, what protections do they and their children have? Are they banking on everyone being low income and not being able to get an attorney who will challenge this?
IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF TIME, LOITERING IS BACK
MORE OFFENSIVE THAN EVER!
Those darn constitutional rights, they are so bothersome to the City!
Thought #1. Ok, now I'm really beginning to think the City Attorney's office is raiding the police evidence room for personal use on a regular basis. Loitering laws that only apply to certain geographic areas of the city? Wow, are they really that afraid of budget cuts that they are trying to ensure that they have continued employment. Looks like another case to be taken to the Supreme Court at our expense.
Thought #2. Get me a map, we can just circle the areas of the city where there are concentrations of people of color, and that is where the law will be applied. I mean, why even bother trying to legally figure out how to have a law that applies in only come areas of the City? Seriously, it's the only place it will be enforced anyways. Someone call the ACLU!
Thought #3. Emily Mills does another good job breaking down the issue. I especially like how she points out the criminals drive cars, why don't we just let police pull over cars without reason.
MEANWHILE, A TREE FALLS IN THE FOREST
With all this talk about safety you'd think that the public hearing on how the police department is going to spend $200,000 would have gotten some attention. But no . . . Kristin Czubkoski was the only one to show up. I guess I called it. Sometimes I wish I wasn't right. But I maintain, why would anyone show up if they don't have anything provided to comment on? Apparently police think its the time of the meeting that is the problem. Not.
COPS WILL GET THEIR RIFLES, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER
Ah, now I know why they didn't tell us what they wanted to spend the money on BEFORE the public hearing! Somewhere in the city, Satya Rhodes-Conway's head exploded when she opened the email and found out the money will be spent as follows:
The City of Madison Police Department will receive $171,142 which shall be used as follows:The council has removed finding for rifles from the budget and had this discussion on more than one occasion. From the 2008 budget process:
$34,228 toward the salary and benefits of a Dane County prosecutor position
$20,000 for the Dane County Drug Court program
$10,000 for the Dane County Victim Witness program
$24,300 for the purchase and equipping of a detective vehicle
$9,500 for licenses for specialty software to be used to investigate computer crime
$10,500 for a server to store evidence collected from computers
$18,700 for evidence drying cabinets$42,214 for rifles$1,700 for a powerpoint projector and screen
Amendment No. 3WHO EVER THUNK IT
Agency/Project: Police / Project #3 - Rifle Acquisition Project
Page(s): 17
Sponsor(s): Alds. Brandon, Rhodes-Conway, Solomon
Remove funding for the rifle acquisition program, including the estimated funding amounts in 2009 and 2010 ($25,000 G.O. and $25,000 grant funding in each year).
General Obligation Debt $ (20,000)
Other Funding (20,000)
Total $ (40,000) Levy Impact: $ (2,590)Some remained consistent in the arguments to trust the police and they need the tools to do their jobs as with the tasers. Others, pointed out that we've used a rifle once that they fired the weapon. We don't need our average officers to have these military style automatic rifles since we have a sniper/swat team on staff of the MPD for the extreme circumstances. Lots of questions, some debate. Alder Webber called the question, I was the only who hadn't spoke but I didn't object. The motion passed 11 - 9. AYE Judge, Kerr, Konkel, Palm, Rhodes-Conway, Rummel, Solomon, Verveer, Webber, Brandon, Bruer. NO Clear, Compton, Gruber, Pham-Remmele, Sanborn, Schumacher, Skidmore, Clausius, Cnare. Cnare originally passed and voted at the end.
I'm going to say something nice about the Madison Police Department. At the rally for driver's cards and tuition cuts for immigrants in Wisconsin, a uniformed City of Madison Police Officer showed up to the rally, spoke, fielded questions from local media and I presume helped lobbying for the right thing! Thank you!
OH, NOW ITS A GOOD IDEA
Remember the budget last year, when I had all those lousy amendments that were just a waste of time and annoying. Well, turns out, that my amendment that would have implemented landlord registration and paid for itself is now a good idea according to the Mayor. Good thing Alder Julia Kerr worked with city staff and has had the ordinance drafted for months cuz the Mayor can just take credit for it when it passes without doing any of the work. Glad he finally came around and see the merit . . . or more likely, he has his eye on the revenue stream.
WYOU GOES PLATINUM
Great article on Barbara Bolan, the new Executive Director. Donate now. Or come to the fundraiser July 12th at 4:00 at the High Noon Saloon. Details here. Lend your hand to the wall of support and help save this valuable community resource. It is, after all, our television station.
HOMELESS, DON'T CALL US UNLESS ITS BETWEEN 8:00a.m. & 4:00p.m.
Wow. Why would it take weeks to get voice mail up and running? They've already been having problems for days.
The Salvation Army continues to have major phone system malfunctions. As of today, we have learned that we will not be able to have voice mail until 7/15/09. All families needing shelter and/or individuals needing help with Rx need to call 250-2223 Mon-Fri 800am-400pm. There will be a staff person answering this line, recording messages and contact information. Do not use 250-2298 any longer. 211 website has been updated.
ALDER SHIVA BIDAR-SIELAFF REMINDS US
Friday at dusk: please light a candle to show your support for the brave people of Iran who are fighting for freedom. (Iranian prodemocracy leaders have called for this international show of solidarity)
HOUSING UPDATE - A PEOPLE'S AGENDA
Thanks to everyone who showed up last night, it will take a bit before the notes are all typed up, but when they are, they will be sent to the participants and I'm sure I'll blog some part of it. There were also reporters there from the Cap Times (Kristin and Pat), as well as the Isthmus and Street Pulse, so you might find something there. Thanks to Kristin who chose to spend her birthday with us!
Sorry to disappoint you and end on a positive, positively unsnarky note or two, but the items were timely and people will be asking. And, I had more, but ran out of time . . .
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Thursday, June 25, 2009
Tonight! People's Vision for Affordable Housing
To hear the City's Economic Development Director and the Mayor speak, we don't need any more affordable housing, in fact, we need to send it outside of the city. Is that your vision for Madison? Join us tonight!
Do we really have too much affordable housing? Are we really needing to "diversify" our housing by adding more high end housing to the city so we can increase the tax base? Is that the direction you think the city should be headed?
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Do we really have too much affordable housing? Are we really needing to "diversify" our housing by adding more high end housing to the city so we can increase the tax base? Is that the direction you think the city should be headed?
Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009
Time: 5:00pm - 7:30pm
Location: Downtown Public Library, 201 W Mifflin St
We've been talking about it for years . . . we've taken some steps forward and more lately, a few giant leaps backwards (property tax exemption and the death of inclusionary zoning). We have committees and task forces and workgroups and lots and lots of talking, but not much action. In fact, we don't even have a plan! The government doesn't have a plan. There is no plan as the economy crumbles, stimulus money gets gobbled up and nothing changes.
That's where you come in! We're creating a people's vision for affordable housing! That's right, no expertise needed! Just you, your brain and some common sense! What should the City of Madison look like? What is your vision for housing? What does this community need?
Please come and share your thoughts and opinions!!
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Chicken Coop Tour, Garden Tour and Art Walk!
Wow, its a downtown/near east neighborhood pride weekend!!!
On Saturday, June 27 from 1-4 will be the "Tour de (Chicken) Coops" - a free, self-guided tour of five chicken coops in the Tenney-Lapham neighborhood. Maps will be available Saturday at the start of the tour - 917 East Dayton Street. See here.
The eighth annual Tenney-Lapham Art Walk will be this Sunday, June 28 from 1-5. Maps will be available at 408 Washburn Place and Burnie's Rock Shop the day of the walk. A complete listing of all the artists along with a map can be found here.
The Capitol Neighborhoods Inc (CNI) 2009 Garden Walk is Saturday, June 27 from 11 am to 4 pm. Tours begins at The Loraine, 123 W. Washington Ave. Tickets are $10. Although the flyer indicates a rain date, there will not be one. For more info please visit: www.capitolneighborhoods.org
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On Saturday, June 27 from 1-4 will be the "Tour de (Chicken) Coops" - a free, self-guided tour of five chicken coops in the Tenney-Lapham neighborhood. Maps will be available Saturday at the start of the tour - 917 East Dayton Street. See here.
The eighth annual Tenney-Lapham Art Walk will be this Sunday, June 28 from 1-5. Maps will be available at 408 Washburn Place and Burnie's Rock Shop the day of the walk. A complete listing of all the artists along with a map can be found here.
The Capitol Neighborhoods Inc (CNI) 2009 Garden Walk is Saturday, June 27 from 11 am to 4 pm. Tours begins at The Loraine, 123 W. Washington Ave. Tickets are $10. Although the flyer indicates a rain date, there will not be one. For more info please visit: www.capitolneighborhoods.org
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Economic Development Plan - Recommendations 4 - 6
Junkets to Southern California and Germany, yeah, that's what will help economic development . . .
RECOMMENDATION # 4 – ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOLKIT
RECOMMENDATION # 5 – PUBLIC/PRIVATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM
RECOMMENDATION # 6 – ORGANIZATIONAL CHANGES
CONCLUSION
So, there you have it. How many jobs will all this create? How much will it all cost us? What will we expect to see that is different in a year? Or two, or three? What are the top priorities? Who's going to do the work? etc. etc. etc. It all seems to be missing. I'm actually quite shocked that in the entire document, jobs are only mentioned twice. And in relation to supporting "physical connections" for "quality jobs" in one place. With the economy in the shape it is in, shouldn't that be the number one priority. Especially if you are concerned about disposable income. It seems this plan is focused on bringing people who will have high paying jobs here, but not creating jobs for the people who live here. Is that what our tax dollars should be spent on?
This is actually quite the departure from the plans originally laid out in the original plan. Just take a look at page 27 here for an exaple of how shockingly devoid of details this workplan is and how far they have strayed from the original intent. I have no problem with adjusting to the economy, but if newsletters and annual reports were recommended to enhance communications and those are still goals, why did those types of details disappear? Why are low priorities now high priorities? Why didn't the work get done? Why were high priority projects shelved? Why are projects like the East Capital Gateway (East Washington Ave) not major workplan items if they are about to decide who to hire to market the area? What happened with all the groups and task forces and advisory groups that were supposed to be formed? Why did some items change categories from the original plan?
I'm not sure there is anything bad going on here, but there's no explanation of anything. If you're making these changes, you should probably lay the foundation to explain what is happening. Yes, we all know the economy changed and that was a catalyst, but what was the thinking behind all of this? What do we hope to accomplish as a result of these changes? And why, or why, did all the details just disappear?
For information about the presentation by staff and questions the council asked, see here.
For recommendations 1 - 3, see here.
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RECOMMENDATION # 4 – ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOLKIT
ED PLAN *** Promotion of Available City Financial Assistance
Ok - how are you promoting these funds? How do people find out about them? Are they doing anything to increase the visibility of the funds? Or, do only those with special connections find out about the funds? Even more interesting to me is, why aren't there competitions for these funds instead of "first come, first served"?
Continued promotion of financial assistance available through the City of Madison, including BREWD, TIF, Capital Revolving Fund, Facade Improvement Grant, Housing Revenue Bonds, Home Ownership loans, Energy Efficiency Stimulus Funds, and other CDA-sponsored economic and neighborhood revitalization projects.
__________ Federal, State, Foundation Funding GuideThis makes sense, I think they should do the same for city funding or just combine the efforts.
A more proactive review/promotion of federal, state, and foundation funding options available to the City or directly to businesses for economic development activities.
__________ Commercial Real Estate DatabaseThis is the one where Cooley said Madison would bully the entrenched business community interests by taking advantage of being the 800 pound gorilla to make this happen. Great. So much for all this talk about regional collaboration.
Collaboration with the local commercial brokerage community, and allied economic development partners, to enhance the type and accessibility of information about available commercial real estate.
ED PLAN___ Promotion of Business Improvement Districts (BIDs)No problem with this one, I'm just surprised it isn't happening already and that we don't have another BID yet, especially since talking with Susan Schmidt from DMI (Downtown Madison Inc) you just can't help but get excited about them!
In partnership with neighborhood business districts, promote the use of Business Improvement Districts (BIDs) to enhance and capture opportunities within those corridors.
__________ Economic/City Financial MetricsGood. But I wonder, will it be things like measuring "demographics" that say that only high income people should live in Madison?
In coordination with the Madison Measures project, develop additional metrics to measure the state of the Madison economy.
__________ “Madison” Branding CampaignI'm interested in how much this one is going to cost? I'm presuming it will involve hiring a consultant.
Develop a campaign for branding Madison as a preferred/competitive location for business.
__________ Explore Future TIF OpportunitiesFinally!!! Pro-active decisions about what types of TIF projects we want!!! However, I'd like to see them tell us what their priorities are and how they will determine which areas have these opportunities.
In the context of the economic development emphasis of the recently adopted TIF Policy, review and map opportunities where the use of TIF could leverage additional private investment over the next five-ten years.
__________ Community ToursHere it is! Junkets! When Chris Schmidt asked where to, it sound like Southern California, Germany and Sweeden were mentioned. While everyone else is having their budgets frozen, especially around travel, they want to increase theirs. In the age of electronic and video conference technology can't they find a better way to gather information about what works in other cities and countries? And wow, more than one person was very adamant with me that looking to Southern California for solutions might not be the best model to follow.
Meet/tour other Wisconsin/Midwest communities to learn more about their economic development approaches in an effort to gain additional ideas for Madison. This could also include tours of businesses within Madison.
__________ Business AppreciationI don't object to this, but I hope its not something that they spend alot of time on, given they are concerned about staff and not being able to do other higher priority items. We have several business organizations in Madison that should be able to do these types of activities that we could just "add on" to, instead of creating our own programs.
Events/activities in recognition and appreciation of businesses located within the City. This could be in partnership with community organizations directly supported by the business sector.
ED PLAN *** Continued Partnership with the CDA for Economic Development ProjectsSo far, that partnership doesn't seem to be working out so well. I'd like to hear wht the priorities are, what are measurements of success of those projects and what types of future plans they are thinking of. Also, does the CDA have the capacity to do more.
Per the 3-5 Year Strategic Economic Development Implementation Plan, further explore ways in which the Community Development Authority (CDA) can continue to promote economic development within the community.
________*** Home Ownership and Rehabilitation ProgramsOffice of Economic Revitalization? Wow. I wonder how many people know what that is, cuz its not part of the regular city language. It's Percy Brown who administers a few housing programs for the city, but I"m not sure that they are the types of housing that Cooley was talking about. And there are several other programs in the city in the CDBG office and then there is the goofy TIF program to promote homeownership. Again, I find it intriguing that housing programs are not considered economic development. I'd love to hear more about the goals and priorities and specific activities that might be done.
Continued promotion of the home ownership and rehabilitation programs managed by the Office of Economic Revitalization.
ED PLAN___ Benefit/Cost Model:) Yes! Let's do it! I would like to see what the cost/benefit analysis would have been on Tomo Therapy or BioAg Gateway. The first project never happened and the second one hasn't happened yet either. And if I heard Cooley, he seemed to be backing away from the BioAg Gateway project, saying that biotech isn't the area where we are going to create alot of jobs.
As recommended in the 3-5 Year Strategic Economic Development Implementation Plan, develop and utilize a benefit/cost model to measure the fiscal impact of key development projects and to align TIF and other City economic development tools with the benefit received.
ED PLAN___ Project Facilitation FundI think this is a great idea. It would be great to be able to say, "here is the money for economic development" and here are our priorities and projects we want to fund. I also think that if we can put $1M in for Economic Development, I think we they should also put $1M in for the Affordable Housing Trust Fund, because the workers are going to need some place to live.
As recommended in the 3-5 Year Strategic Economic Development Implementation Plan, capitalize a Project Facilitation Fund (beginning with $1 million annually and adjusting as needed) to provide needed incentives to develop infrastructure or provide direct financial incentives to critically important high fiscal impact, high quality job-generating projects.
RECOMMENDATION # 5 – PUBLIC/PRIVATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM
ED PLAN *** Evangelism of Business Resources and Vision
In partnership with other economic development and business organizations, do more to share the resources available in Madison with employers who are looking elsewhere for possible expansion/location, and the vision of a great business sector throughout the entire community.What does "do more' mean? What do they plan to do? Again, this is supposed to be a workplan.
__________ City Partnerships
Similar to the “Sister Cities” concept, develop relationships with U.S. cities in other regions of the Country for the purpose of generating leads of businesses looking for Midwest locations.Giggle. I hear originally these were called "Brother Cities" . . . back to the junkets. And when he talked about this at the briefing for the council, he really did talk more about overseas opportunities.
ED PLAN *** Better utilization and partnership with allied business and economic development organizations
Ok - again how, and what are the items that will be accomplished as a result?
Promote better utilization and partnership with the City’s allied business and economic development organizations, including: Chamber, CVB, THRIVE, MAGNET, BID, DMI, Smart Growth Greater Madison, Dane County, UW, MATC, Urban League, MMSD, business incubation facilities, Central BID, neighborhood business associations, neighborhood planning councils, etc.
RECOMMENDATION # 6 – ORGANIZATIONAL CHANGES
ED PLAN __ Mission StatementThis was the rallying cry of the EDC back when Zach was still on the council, I can't believe they just haven't done it already. And, I was very surprised to see Cooley poo-poo the idea and say that it wasn't a priority.
As outlined in the 3-5 Year Strategic Economic Development Implementation Plan, revise the DPCED mission statement to include “economic development in support of high qualify of life” as a fundamental goal.
ED PLAN __ StaffingAgain, Larry Palm tried to ask what this meant? Didn't get an answer. Not even close. I would think if you really wanted more staff, you'd come forward with a proposal.
As outlined in the 3-5 Year Strategic Economic Development Implementation Plan, fully staff the Economic Development Division.
ED PLAN *** TrainingI have no problem with this, in fact, citywide we need to spend more money on training for our staff. I'd just want to make sure that they are getting the best bang for their buck and not wasting money.
As outlined in the 3-5 Year Strategic Economic Development Implementation Plan, expand funding for professional training of Economic Development Division staff.
CONCLUSION
So, there you have it. How many jobs will all this create? How much will it all cost us? What will we expect to see that is different in a year? Or two, or three? What are the top priorities? Who's going to do the work? etc. etc. etc. It all seems to be missing. I'm actually quite shocked that in the entire document, jobs are only mentioned twice. And in relation to supporting "physical connections" for "quality jobs" in one place. With the economy in the shape it is in, shouldn't that be the number one priority. Especially if you are concerned about disposable income. It seems this plan is focused on bringing people who will have high paying jobs here, but not creating jobs for the people who live here. Is that what our tax dollars should be spent on?
This is actually quite the departure from the plans originally laid out in the original plan. Just take a look at page 27 here for an exaple of how shockingly devoid of details this workplan is and how far they have strayed from the original intent. I have no problem with adjusting to the economy, but if newsletters and annual reports were recommended to enhance communications and those are still goals, why did those types of details disappear? Why are low priorities now high priorities? Why didn't the work get done? Why were high priority projects shelved? Why are projects like the East Capital Gateway (East Washington Ave) not major workplan items if they are about to decide who to hire to market the area? What happened with all the groups and task forces and advisory groups that were supposed to be formed? Why did some items change categories from the original plan?
I'm not sure there is anything bad going on here, but there's no explanation of anything. If you're making these changes, you should probably lay the foundation to explain what is happening. Yes, we all know the economy changed and that was a catalyst, but what was the thinking behind all of this? What do we hope to accomplish as a result of these changes? And why, or why, did all the details just disappear?
For information about the presentation by staff and questions the council asked, see here.
For recommendations 1 - 3, see here.
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Wednesday, June 24, 2009
Economic Development Plan - Recommendations 1 - 3
Ok, lets rip into this plan and figure out what its about . . .
First, here is the code to understand some of the designations of the items in the plan:
Third, where is the report on what they are accomplishing this year? It's kind of hard to review this workplan without a status update on what has happened and is expected to happen this year. Clearly, much has changed in the economy and I would hope staff are taking steps to address issues, but what are they and how does this work plan build on current efforts?
Now, the plan as presented . . .
RECOMMENDATION # 1 – CUSTOMER SERVICE
I'm unclear about why "physical space development of a center" is on this list, as it is essentially on hold while they try to determine what is going to happen with the Marcus Hotel and the Municipal Building and the Government East parking ramp. We objected to the $1.6M being in the budget for this a few years ago, and the money remains in the budget so people don't think we forgot it, but its not going anywhere and it seems silly to even include it in the work plan if its not happening. If something is happening on this item, it should be detailed.
RECOMMENDATION # 2 – QUALITY JOB CREATION/RETENTION/EXPANSION
???? Why wouldn't they? Does the staff have other suggestions about what should be done to support small businesses in lieu of not doing the conference? Why is this a question?
RECOMMENDATION # 3 – PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT
I appreciate the questions the alders tried to ask at the meeting. With Cooley answering the questions, however, there wasn't much hope of getting a straight answer that wasn't thrown back on their laps.
Recommendations 4 - 6 tomorrow . . . plus what's missing and some comments about the introductory remarks from the presentations.
For information about the presentation by staff and questions the council asked, see here.
For recommendations 4 - 6, see here.
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First, here is the code to understand some of the designations of the items in the plan:
ED PLAN - A recommendation that is found within the acceptedSecond, this isn't a work plan, there was more detail in the 3 - 5 year Economic Development Plan. This is a reprioritization of recommendations to work on with a new set of recommendations sprinkled throughout. But there are no time lines, no specific work items to accomplish, no designation of which staff will be working on them and quite frankly, at that end of the year, how will you measure what was accomplished? It's shocking that there was more detail in the original plan than in this "workplan". Obviously, some of these recommendations are on-going items and I'd like to see what steps are being prioritized by staff.
3-5 Year Strategic Economic Development Implementation Plan
*** - A project or program already underway
ED PLAN *** - A recommendation of the 3-5 Year Strategic Economic Development Implementation Plan that is already underway
__________ - An idea for a project or program not currently underway, and not found within the 3-5 Year Strategic Economic Development Implementation Plan. It is a recommendation for a new program/project from City staff or the EDC.
Third, where is the report on what they are accomplishing this year? It's kind of hard to review this workplan without a status update on what has happened and is expected to happen this year. Clearly, much has changed in the economy and I would hope staff are taking steps to address issues, but what are they and how does this work plan build on current efforts?
Now, the plan as presented . . .
RECOMMENDATION # 1 – CUSTOMER SERVICE
ED PLAN *** Zoning Code Modernization
Complete re-write of the City’s Zoning Code.
ED PLAN *** Development Services Center
Development Services Center website, implementation of ELAM permitting software, and physical space development of a center.
ED PLAN *** Dept. of Planning & Community & Economic Development website
Complete re-design of the DPCED website.These items are all well underway and being done by people not in the Economic Development Unit, but primarily in the Planning Unit. Therefore, when Cooley talks about staff resources, these shouldn't have any impact in his unit.
I'm unclear about why "physical space development of a center" is on this list, as it is essentially on hold while they try to determine what is going to happen with the Marcus Hotel and the Municipal Building and the Government East parking ramp. We objected to the $1.6M being in the budget for this a few years ago, and the money remains in the budget so people don't think we forgot it, but its not going anywhere and it seems silly to even include it in the work plan if its not happening. If something is happening on this item, it should be detailed.
________*** Road Construction Information/Assistance
Continued partnership between the Office of Business Resources, City Engineering, and the Chamber Small Business Advisory Council, and Central Business Improvement District to use the Road Construction Survival Guide and Road Works website developed in 2009 to outreach to and help prepare business owners who will be impacted by road construction in 2010.This item is essentially done. Here's the guide and website. I think the plan is to do outreach - I'd like to see the workplan contain specifics about that outreach.
__________ Streamlining Process
This effort would include a closer look at the City’s current development review process in concert with the new ELAM permitting software and proposed Development Services Center to see if further efforts can be made to streamline approval processes within the City of Madison.How'd this creep back in here? When the whole "Madison is unfriendly to business" campaign started (you know, backlash about local minimum wage and paid sick leave and inclusionary zoning), this was number one on the list. Studies were done, plan commission got a presentation by UW students who studied the process and facts were gathered. Recommendations were made and discussed. So much so, that it didn't really make it into the 3 - 5 year plan and instead there was the re-write of the zoning code, purchase of software to help process applications and the development services center, but now, it's back again. I think we need to let those items work and re-evaluate once they are in place.
ED PLAN___ Monitoring/Benchmarking Customer Service
As outlined in the 3-5 Year Strategic Economic Development Implementation Plan, this recommendation calls for a formalized approach to gather and measure customer feedback (such as through a Baldrige or similar process).I thought this was kind of basic and would have been one of the first things to get done, so that we could see progress. This is now a plan for the 2nd year of the 3 - 5 year plan and frankly, it should already be in place, otherwise at the end of the plan, there will be no trend information.
ED PLAN___ Communication/Collaboration/Attitude
Work with existing business organizations (region/City/district) to participate in implementation of the work plan objectives, develop and communicate an overall regional/city competitiveness vision, and develop/evangelize with internal/external markets the “why” and necessity of the vision, strategy, and action plans.I'd like to see what details on this item, what does this mean? It doesn't really say anything, how will I know if at the end of the year we have accomplished this item?
RECOMMENDATION # 2 – QUALITY JOB CREATION/RETENTION/EXPANSION
ED PLAN__ Proactive retention/expansion
As outlined in the 3-5 Year Strategic Economic Development Implementation Plan, this project would include the purchase of retention/expansion software to manage a proactive effort on the part of City staff and other economic development partners to reach-out to businesses in a proactive manner to determine their future retention/expansion needs.Hmmmm . . . I thought it was pretty clear that this software would require us to keep track of confidential information, which would be an open record and therefore would make it difficult to have businesses talk to them. So, what is the purpose of the software. I guess I want to see the "why" at this point and what purpose it will serve.
__________ Proactive retention/expansion (revised)
The approach above requires allocation of financial resources to purchase software, additional staff capacity (as outlined in the 3-5 Strategic Economic Development Implementation Plan), and availability of volunteers in the private sector to assist with the effort. The current economic recession puts the likelihood of all three of these components in jeopardy.
One of the goals of this effort is to determine what business needs are at the moment, and where there may be opportunities for expansion. Given that all businesses have unique needs at the moment, an alternative approach in lieu of purchasing software and starting a new effort at this time, is to do more to promote the resources that are already available to businesses within the community, while working with those businesses that contact us.Larry Palm did his best to try to get them to tell him what this means? How much staff do they need? Cooley just turned it around on them, and said it was up to them. What kind of a game is that? Isn't it staff's job to make a proposal and then have the council determine what they support? This sounds like it is just here to say "see, we told you it wouldn't happen". Promoting resources already available to people who contact them isn't anything new is it? Isn't it what they do now? This item is mildly disturbing, as the whole point of the 3 -5 year plan was to make the city more pro-active, not reactive.
________*** Small Business Conference
If the City wishes to host a fourth bi-annual small business conference in 2011, planning will need to being during the second half of 2010.
???? Why wouldn't they? Does the staff have other suggestions about what should be done to support small businesses in lieu of not doing the conference? Why is this a question?
__________ Workforce Summit
The 2009 Economic Development Work Plan called for a Workforce Summit in 2009. Given staffing demands, we will not be able to host this event in 2009.
__________ Workforce Development
In lieu of, or in addition to, a Workforce Summit continue the work of the Workforce Development Sub-Committee of the EDC to further explore the role the City should play relative to workforce development throughout the community.If I understood Cooley right, this simply isn't a priority for them as they feel that others are already doing it. The committee has been meeting for some time, or at least appointed and supposed to be working, their work should be done by the end of 2009 I would thin, this item should probably say that they would act on recommendations and implement them. I suspect, however, that this item will just drop off the radar screen.
ED PLAN*** Business Requests/Prospects
City staff receives numerous unsolicited requests on a weekly basis from businesses, site selectors, developers, the Department of Commerce, etc. with ideas for businesses interested in expanding within Madison or re-locating to Madison. Economic Development Division staff serves as a lead on these prospects by providing information about available space, demographic information, and financial assistance.Ok, but what are the goals here? How many people do they plan to assist with what type of activities and what do they expect their success rate to be? How do they prioritize these requests?
__________ Business Creation/Talent Portal
Major economic recessions, such as the one we are currently facing, result in a significant number of highly skilled unemployed/underemployed individuals along with opportunities for new business development. The City could foster the connection of individuals with opportunities through the development of an online business creation/talent portal.Huh? The Job Center for the middle and upper class? What is this? Is it for entrepreneurs who want to create businesses? What would be the outcomes? How does this benefit the City? Will it create a certain number of jobs? So, its sounds like a fine idea, but when they are saying they don't have the resources, is this where we get the biggest bang for our buck?
__________ Product Beta-testing in Appropriate Clusters (such as “Green Industries”)
Businesses often require beta-testing of new products with potential customers. Madison is already recognized as a “green community,” taking a lead in new efforts for sustainability. There may be opportunities to reach-out to companies in the growing “green” business cluster to complete their beta-testing here. Especially in cases where are firms are not already familiar with Madison, this could be an effective way to introduce them to Madison, with the goal of accommodating their future expansions here.Again, this sounds like an idea just thrown out there. At least it has some goals to attract businesses and introduce them to Madison, but is this the best use of resources? Shouldn't we be focusing on the low hanging fruit? Do they have the staff and time to do this? If they do, how will we know success when it happens? Is it one product tested or 100?
__________ Common Council – Business RelationsHere's an idea, how about just including alders when the staff are having discussions with businesses in their districts? This also says "employers" not businesses. Is there a focus on employment and jobs? Are they focusing on major employers? Or small businesses? Shouldn't alders already be doing this on their own and does staff really need to spend time working on this? Again, I think they could just be included when discussions are happening in the district.
Arrange additional opportunities for Alders to tour and meet with employers within their Districts.
__________ Economic Development Impacts of Projects/Policies
Greater utilization of the EDC for review/input of projects and policies from an economic development standpoint.BAH HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!! Too funny. This is the same EDC that is the only committee I remember in 8 years that REJECTED referrals we tried to make. Now, they want referrals. Toooooooooo funny!!!! I wholeheartedly agree with this recommendation. But the committee members have to be on board and they have to not ask "why is this here" and "why are we wasting our time with this" and then they actually have to give meaningful feedback. Complete with recommendations on how to change proposals if they think the proposals merit it.
__________ Demographic Shift
Further explore the impact that shifting demographics will have on the Madison economy.Wow. Just wow. To me, it was pretty clear what this meant. But I'd like to hear this justified. I'd like to hear what they will be looking at. Are they concerned we have too many poor people here - and yet don't want to work on workforce development? What other demographics are they worried about changing? Explain yourself please. Just say it, in plain English. What are you worried about?
ED PLAN *** Small Business Assistance
As outlined in the 3-5 Year Strategic Economic Development Implementation Plan, continue/strengthen outreach/cooperation with organizations that provide small business planning assistance.Ok, again, more specifics please.
RECOMMENDATION # 3 – PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT
________*** Community Infrastructure (roads, facilities, etc.), including related real estate transactions
Continued investment in City infrastructure (roads, facilities, etc.), including the necessary real estate transactions for said projects.I'd really like to hear more details about how the staff work on this, how they prioritize these projects and what they measure about the projects when making them a priority. How do staff intervene on behalf of businesses? And what did they mean "including the necessary real estate transactions for said projects"? Did they mean TIF dollars?
ED PLAN *** Physical Development Projects
Implementation of physical development projects, including but not limited to: UW Research Park II, Capitol Gateway, BioAg Gateway (including BioLink), Truman Olson, Royster Clark, Garver, Union Corners, Edgewater Hotel, Public Market, Marcus Hotel (and related private development), and the Downtown Library (and related private development), the Villager, Allied Drive, Badger/Ann/Park projects, Truax, and the Lake Point redevelopment.Again, what are the staff doing? Why this list of projects? Are these projects prioritized? What is needed on these projects? Is this just things that the Planning Department is already doing, or is futher intervention or work needed?
__________ “Green” Workforce and Business “Homesteading”
Given its central location, available transit, mixed-use neighborhoods, etc. living or locating a business within the City of Madison provides individuals with a greater opportunity to live or run their businesses in a more sustainable manner than most other locations within the region. As a way to retain/attract a quality workforce within the community and employers who consciously wish to be more “green,” promoting the concept of “green” workforce and business “homesteading” could be further explored.Interesting, again, more details, please. What activities would staff do to make this happen?
ED PLAN__ Business Incubator Study
As outlined in the 3-5 Year Strategic Economic Development Implementation Plan, study the demand/appropriateness of additional business incubators within the City of Madison. The concept of a “green business” incubator and free incubator space could be included.Are we hiring someone to do a study? Is the staff doing an informal study? How will this be determined? How would free space be maintained? Again, what is the work plan in this item?
__________ Job Creation – Physical Development Connection
On a more formalized level, consider the strategic connection between physical development projects within the City of Madison and their ability to provide space for quality job creation.?? What does that mean? What action items? How would it be formalized?
__________ Neighborhood (including downtown) reinvestment
Continued investment in older housing stock and older neighborhood commercial areas (including downtown).Again, what does this mean? More TIF dollars? Does this mean tear downs or fix ups? Does this mean new housing programs to entice middle class home owners to fix up housing downtown? How is this an economic development item? (Note: I think it could be, I'd just like to hear it explained. I mean, housing as economic development is not really something we have been talking about.)
I appreciate the questions the alders tried to ask at the meeting. With Cooley answering the questions, however, there wasn't much hope of getting a straight answer that wasn't thrown back on their laps.
Recommendations 4 - 6 tomorrow . . . plus what's missing and some comments about the introductory remarks from the presentations.
For information about the presentation by staff and questions the council asked, see here.
For recommendations 4 - 6, see here.
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Tuesday, June 23, 2009
2010 Economic Development Plan . . .
So, guess how late they started and who was in charge of starting the meeting . . . and look for the comments in red that seem to be sending some interesting messages.
Wait for it . . . wait for it . . . we waited for it, 13 minutes before Alder Bruer came in the room and started the meeting, then he babbled for a short minute or two and then introduced Clear who described how we got where we are [It made me smile, knowing how badly the conservatives did not want to do the Economic Development Plan.] and made excuses about why the Economic Development Plan for this year got approved so late. Bruer says the reason more people are not here is because they were out of town and that is wasn't a scheduling conflict [Is he that oblivious? Verveer and Maniaci came in at the tail end of the meeting when the State St. Oversight committee was done discussing Peace Park. Who knows who went to the Zoning Code meeting, but I'm guessing that is where Rummel was.] or lack of interest.
Alders Present: King, Bidar-Sielaff, Palm, Rhodes-Conway, Clear, Schmidt, Clausius, Bruer, Pham-Remmele (Late, when the meeting was over, Verveer and Maniaci)
No Shows: Sanborn, Cnare, Rummel, Eagon, Skidmore, Solomon, Kerr, Compton, Schumacher
EDC Members Present: Julia Stone (and Alder Clear)
Members of the public: About 6, I think when you remove the reporters/bloggers and Thuy's husband who attends most meetings with her.
Please note some of the concerning statements made in red below. Will comment more tomorrow.
6:17. Finally Cooley gets started with his powerpoint presentation.
Why are we doing this? Cooley says we have a false sense of security because "Madison Best" awards are abundant. [Pause to get microphone, where Bruer admits he is "sitting in back cuz he can hardly hear him back here". He spends the whole meeting in the back of the room talking to business community folls.] Cooley points out the "best" awards look at the Metro area and that they are not for Madison only, but the Madison area. Cooley says Madison is lagging the rest of the county in median income by 18% (Madison's median income is $50 - 55K and the rest of the county is $60 - 65K), wealth (and their discretionary income) is moving to the suburbs and businesses will follow. He talks about how this isn't unusal in many cities. [Wow, was he just comparing us to inner cities that experience white flight? Do you think they have median incomes of $50K?] Fitchburg and Sun Prairie show and even more stark changes in incomes with nearly $70K and $65K median incomes respectively. [Ok, so this is even more ironic as Fitchburg doesn't have a downtown.] He says the velocity and trends of change are really concerns because the outlying areas have much higher incomes. Fitchburg had a 37.6% increase, Sun Prarie a 25.9% and Madison 21.2% in median incomes 2000 - 2008. [Its disturbing he doesn't mention the numbers of residential homes built during this period and the fact that you could buy more home for the same dollars in some of these areas. Finally, he doesn't mention that other areas of the state and country are losing population and we are lucky to have growth. He makes it sound like people are moving out of Madison, when in fact we are growing as well.] He says that Madison jobs grew 10% and the county's jobs grew 15% and he points out this is a 50% difference. Again the slide says "as household and discretionary income moves, jobs follow" seeming to imply people are leaving Madison. Says we need jobs throughout the spectrum (low end jobs and high end jobs) and we needs jobs that are stable. The slide says "One of the most important functions that a city can provide
is an environment of stable, quality jobs for its citizens." He says the City is driven off property tax and property tax is direct reflection of average incomes and wages. 70% of our revenue is from property taxes. Says the latest numbers that show an increase in property taxes for Madison but that doesn't include the residential and that the increase was in commerical construction - he says it doesn't count tho because they are projects that were in the works before the economy crashed.
Commercial property increased $377.8M
Residential property decreased through re-evaluations by $233.8M
Property Formerly Exempt increased by $12.3M [Now you can see what that fight is about.]
Total increase $224.5M [I didn't detail everything.]
[Hmm, residential property values are down, but over all the city is up due to commercial real estate values and yet he is trying to tell us that we are in serious trouble? I don't quite think his numbers or anecdotes are backing him up.]
Residential property values are down in 2009 by 1% and not increasing at the same rate (7 - 8% 2002 - 2006) as in previous years. [Again, he fails to mention the real estate market and what affect that has on all this.] He says we need high income jobs and properties so we can continue to keep the quality of life we enjoy here in Madison.
How economic development has changed? No longer chasing smokestacks, but looking at the environment we create and how we can encourage businesses and what barriers we create to businesses moving here. [He presents an interesting chart that I couldn't successfully replicate for you.] They have done a SWOT analysis.
Strengths: Innovation, Existing Clusters (biotech), Workforce, Culture & Character (Cooley makes a snarky comment about the "character" of Madison and not needing to comment further), Quality of Life
Opportunities: Outperform region/state/nation, Emerging clusters, Build awareness
Weakness -Core perceived as inhospitable to business [Core what? He skipped over this and moved on quickly. I think he was talking about the alders.], Lack of risk capital, State business environment, Lack of awareness
Threats - Lingering recession/ paralysis, Anti-growth contingent - “BANANA”, Core asset values [Again, core what? I think he is talking about the property values in the downtown alder districts], Status quo attitude, Competition
6:28 - Matt M now explains the suggestions for the 2010 plan, explains where it came from (Based on 3-5 Year Strategic Economic Development, Implementation Plan. Adjustment for current economy. Guidance needed from Common Council and EDC.) Says that they need funding and staffing because can't do it all. Goes over hand out, didn't add much that wasn't printed on the hand out. [I'll put this up tomorrow with editorial comments about what is missing and further needed. Perhaps one of the first things they could do it become more public friendly and get the materials out ahead of time and provide them on their website? A link instead of handed out paper.]
DISCUSSION
Rhodes-Conway asked how to give input. Matt M says annotated handout is fine. Suggests that within each of the recommendation areas to mark priorities, note top 3 or 4, let them know where you have questions. No one right way to provide the feedback.
Clear says council leadership has added 2 additional alder positions to the Economic Development Commission. It will be discussed at CCOC July 7 and back at council on July 21st. Mayor and leadership feels this will help strengthen the committee.
Pham-Remmele - Says it is a well thought out and impressive plan, needs more time to go through and observe and compare to what she knows. Unprecedented economic downturn, just came from a special meeting with commerical real estate owners. Says we are discussing this as a family matter so she will discuss it openly - talks about Meadowood Mall which has Anchor Bank, branch library, Walgreens, barbershop, dry cleaner, chinese take out and pizza and hardware store. Heart of community and having alot of problems she doesn't want to bring up. She says she has 2 questions but then talks [!] about how they can't keep this confidential any longer, wants businesses to stay, says they have lost some businesses, butcher shop became a community center, hardware store wants to be guaranteed that it will be stable or they will leave to their second store in Cottage Grove. She wants to ask him to please stay, and notes that "many man in the area would find an excuse to go to the hardware store 3 times a day, you know that". She says she asked him not to put a closing sign up. She asked "what chip do I exchange with him?" [Wow, almost sounds like bribery the way she said it. I wonder if the businesses asked her that question.] On the other side people who live in the neighborhood want businesses to come to the mall. So, she trusts staff to be open and tell her how they are doing this. [Why does she feel the need to say that?] The question she has, how firm and how flexible is the 3 - 5 year plan? What about the urgent needs? We don't want to lose any more of the tax base. Please be a honest as possible with me. [Sigh . . . ]
Cooley says it is tough, we need to change the entire city, it has to become more sensitive to bringing up disposable income and bring up wages. Otherwise stores will be moving. Talks about Willy Sutton when asked why he rob banks, Willy said "that is where the money is". Businesses will move to suburbs if we do not change the dynamic. Downtown has to appeal to all people, not just students and state workers. Older areas of the city need to be redeveloped. Some of the workforce, affordable housing and homeless shelters have to be shared with the other communities - otherwise it won't work. This isn't a city or zoning decision, its a business decision. People look at the demographics and what the demographics will support. He says right now, there is nothing we can do.
Pham-Remmele says she wants to have a private meeting, they agree. Says we can't wait 5 years.
Cooley says that we can be as flexible as we need to be. Some of the suggestions in the handout he suggest are not as important using the example of mission statement and website, but working on more direct efforts to figure out from a city perspecive what should we be?
Pham-Remmele asks about UW, but she says we need entry level jobs. Even low income to (need to?) bring home the bacon. Very important, start from the bottom up.
Clear says that Pham-Remmele asked a fundamental question, why should a business locate here instead of Sun Prairie, why should business staM in an at risk neighborhood (Meadowood vs Monroe St) not Cottage Grove. Clear asks how you address at risk neighborhood. How do we reverse the trend of hardware store being replaced with check cashing or . . . Pham-Remmele steps back in and adds liquor store?
Cooley doesn't answer, says he is glad Clear said it was a rhetorical question. [I'm quite certain Clear never said that and it was odd how he sidestepped that question.]
Cooley says city is a wonderfully care giving society and it has changed the demographics of the city. Suburbs can do things that we can't. We don't have housing for middle, or upper management. It's a race to the bottom. Maybe Madison [housing] should be a little higher priced than the rest of the area. It may take a fundamental change. And we need to do this with fact driven inforamtion. If we are going to be a successful city, we need to take a long hard look at what we are doing now. [Ok, his use of the word "demographics" is just starting to get a little creepy. It seems like it is code for something. Low-income? People of color?]
Pham-Remmele talks about how Judy Compton sold houses to many of the people in her neighborhood. [Why, wasn't quite sure.]
Cooley says we need to have low crime and good schools. Companies can locate anywhere, but families will move somewhere because of the schools and crime. We have to be very aware of where we are today and if that is a compelling reason to attract the kinds of people we need to support the community.
Pham Remmele says she is very painful, but talks about schools and says people vote with their feet and move and as a compassionate city we think about those who don't have that option.
King says there is some urgency, and the preception that Madison is unfriendly and asks how to turn that ship around. Says people like the older homes with character and they need alot of work and they don't want to touch those houses, how will we reinvest in neighborhood? He talks about how the process is hard? How do we do that? [I'm completely confused, what process, its a "free market" process at the moment.] Cooley says "you are an alder and you can change that."
King asks how they will communicate that thinkgs have changed. Someone with a bad experience will tell 20 people and someone with a good experience will sell one. Cooley points out the Mike Ivey article about the new very expensive building on W Johnson and how that developer couldn't say enough nice things about Madison's process. Also talks about how Full Compass has good stories to tell - however, he couldn't seem to remember the name of the company. He talks about how perception becomes reality, says it has gotten better but still convoluted. Talks about Landmarks, Urbran Design Commission & Plan commission and about how things get sent to subcommittees [seriously? how often does that happen?] and referrals back and forth - he says more study doesn't result in better end results. He then notes "historic is always old, old is not always historic".
Clear says he is hearing the city process is improving but it takes a long time to get past the reputation.
Cooley says we can benchmark that - look at approval times in other cities and we can measure that. Madison's unique way of doing things - everyone has a voice in it all the time. We can keep that character and work with it. Suburbs are taking it away from us.[Um, someone should give him the study the plan department did a few years ago that noted how long our approvals took and how we ranked with other cities.]
Bidar-Sielaff says that she has been to the suburbs and they are not taking anything away from her. She suggests we need to tell our own good stories. Need something besides the website. How can we highlight, with our partners, the good stories. Business of the month. Says those who live and work here has a story to tell.
Cooley says it is kind of in the plan, marketing both internally and externally. Will do it through website and using technology within constructions of state laws. They may do a blog "and the like".
Clausius asks about recommendation 3 - community infrastructure. He talks about a roundabout and extensions for Parkside Drive and there is talk that the projects won't stay in the budget. Steinhaufels is concerned about the projects not going through. How much support can he get from EDC with the capital budget. Round about was pushed back last year - its important for the Lien Road project. He says needs support for that project.
Cooley said that EDC should be weighing in on alot of things from crime statistics and ordinances. [Duh, remember when Zach very plainly told the council that the EDC didn't want to get tied up considering ordinances that the city was passing and that they just wanted to do their work. We tried to refer items there, but they didn't want that. Perhaps Cooley should have a conversation with (past?) EDC members about this.] He says we are blessed to have Matt, Michael, Don Marx and Percy who can find money.
Clear tells Clausius he should talk to alders on Board of Estimates. [Clausius is on BOE.]
Clausius asks about recomnedation #4 - commercial database. Right now major fast food franchise that wants to come in to Madison, but they want a regional training center. He says it would be good to have EDC out there to help. Doesn't want to see it go to Fitchburg or Sun Prairie. Cooley says that Michael Gay has info, but database is not as developed. Individual brokers want to keep their own inforamtion. Milwaukee has a system that is now the de facto standard. Matt has been working with THRIVE for the past three months, but there are intrenched interests. Cooley says tho that "we will drive it [getting a commercial database] out of the City of Madison and take advantage of being the 800 pound gorilla."
Schmidt asks about jobs and what the software will do to create jobs. Cooley says CRM (Customer Relation Management) is really the problem, we are our own worst enemy - anything that comes to city is open record. He says they are talking to companies about confidential matters, we don't want to put that into a database that is readily accessible. We know what is going on, and we keep a good database ourselves, written contacts and in our minds. No real need to get that CRM database right now. The software could do follow ups, newsletters and ticklers.
Schmidt also says he never heard of the phrase "business homesteading". Cooley says he made that up. Says the idea not quite flushed out. He talks about the Mayor's ideas of green building and how the city could define buiding standards for city controlled land and that a couple could come in and build to these standards and if they stay there for a period of time, the land could be sold to them cheaply. He suggests that we do the same with businesses, if you do it this way, over time we might be able to make a deal. He asks how do we incent from a policy prospective. He says they are playing with the concept to see if it is going anywhere.
Schmidt asks about the community tours, where would they go? Cooley says Southern California, several looking for lower cost areas for manufacturing. Some have customer bases that need warehouse or distribution centers. They are looking at Mexico and others. He said "nobody in their right mind wants to go down there, espeically border towns." 30% differential in costs by locating in midwest. He says we can do the same thing internationally. He says 2nd tier German and Sweedish companies want to have a US presence. He says their industry clusters and demographics that match ours.
Schmidt asked about cities that had similiar challenges as ours and were successful. Cooley says no one has had similar experiences. The recent economy changes are a "major reset", jobs of the past are no longer going to be the jobs of the future. The way we used to cope with recession was to have safety nets, jobs aren't going to come back this time, need to find those jobs that will have a competitive advantage, we need to work to grow our own and agreesively pursue more. Work with MATC to train people, we will lose and gain some people - we just need to make sure we gain the right people.
Schmidt asks how we can avoid common mistakes. Cooley says that we can't over micromanage the workforce, we can't become enamored with the next cool thing, which he points out is biotech and biopharma but then quickly notes that those are not big job creators. He says that biotech plays better in Madison and that we have a better shot here but every state and many cities think that and most of the centers are in Boston, San Diego and ?? South San Francisco?? Says we have a better chance because we have the workforce and university.
Palm asks about the perception of Madison. He points out that there have been a number of situations where the city was accused of putting up barriers, the projects were approved, but the businesses didn't move forward. The businesses backed away. He says we are spending alot of energy helping someone who makes a stink and then we don't get the benefits of all that work.Palm says that we can't serve all of our customers if some of them are just playing with us.
Palm asks how do we assess which project get a priority, how do you decide? Is it first come first serve? Cooley says it is partially triage, partially opportunistic. Says TIF changes concentrate on creating jobs.
Maniaci and Verveer arrive.
Palm asks if additional city financial assistance. He notes that we had $1 for a revolving fund, how do we expand the dollars available. Cooley says that we need to take advantage of all the programs out there. He talks about a program he just found out about this morning, for city owned land, feds pay us back 45% of interest to purchase the land. There is also a program for privately owned land. Says an allocation has been made to Madison. Cooley notes communications are important and we need to be making sure we don't leave things on the table, need to be time effective, need to make better use of consultants and the legislative side.
Palm asks about the workforce conference that was delayed because the staff says they don't have enough staff. He asks "what is full staff?" Cooley says they are putting numbers to it now and they need to pick and choose and find out what the priorities are of the executive and legislative arms of government. He says that its not that they don't care about the work force, but other people are working at it and they are at the table with them. [Sounds like they don't intend to follow through on the workforce development work.]
Palm tries to ask the question again about how much staff they need. Cooley avoids answering the question. Says that is why they are here, to ask the council what their priories are.
Mendoza commends staff, Tim, Matt, Michael, Peggy. Work hard and you're looking at a snapshot. They know the work plan is not all inclusive. Thanks council for interest and Bruer and Clear for remaining engaged as they are. Says there will be a menu of options, many of which will relate to the city budget. The question is what will the prioritize if they costs dollars, where will they devote limited resources. Says this is the next step in the conversations. Thanks Julia Stone from EDC for coming.
They ask if Julia would like to add anything ? She's only been on EDC for one month but she " fully agrees with Tim's synopsis".
7:35 ends, kinda.
They quickly annouce that this will be at the EDC at next two meetings (July 1 and Aug 5). [Wow, nice to do it while people are out on the summer vacations!]. They says they will have a bigger room because it has been crowded. They may have a broader public input session late summer or fall as well.
Everyone starts talking - Thuy yells at them to be quiet in her best teacher voice.
Cooley asks the alders to look at the increased use of BIDS, looking at map for logical places and they are looking to get together with alders and business leaders in that area to talk about the success. Says government can't maintain the level of services the downtown bit is doing and wants others to have those advantages.
Then, I think they are done and adjourn again.
For recommendations 1 - 3, see here.
For recommendations 4 - 6, see here.
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Wait for it . . . wait for it . . . we waited for it, 13 minutes before Alder Bruer came in the room and started the meeting, then he babbled for a short minute or two and then introduced Clear who described how we got where we are [It made me smile, knowing how badly the conservatives did not want to do the Economic Development Plan.] and made excuses about why the Economic Development Plan for this year got approved so late. Bruer says the reason more people are not here is because they were out of town and that is wasn't a scheduling conflict [Is he that oblivious? Verveer and Maniaci came in at the tail end of the meeting when the State St. Oversight committee was done discussing Peace Park. Who knows who went to the Zoning Code meeting, but I'm guessing that is where Rummel was.] or lack of interest.
Alders Present: King, Bidar-Sielaff, Palm, Rhodes-Conway, Clear, Schmidt, Clausius, Bruer, Pham-Remmele (Late, when the meeting was over, Verveer and Maniaci)
No Shows: Sanborn, Cnare, Rummel, Eagon, Skidmore, Solomon, Kerr, Compton, Schumacher
EDC Members Present: Julia Stone (and Alder Clear)
Members of the public: About 6, I think when you remove the reporters/bloggers and Thuy's husband who attends most meetings with her.
Please note some of the concerning statements made in red below. Will comment more tomorrow.
6:17. Finally Cooley gets started with his powerpoint presentation.
Why are we doing this? Cooley says we have a false sense of security because "Madison Best" awards are abundant. [Pause to get microphone, where Bruer admits he is "sitting in back cuz he can hardly hear him back here". He spends the whole meeting in the back of the room talking to business community folls.] Cooley points out the "best" awards look at the Metro area and that they are not for Madison only, but the Madison area. Cooley says Madison is lagging the rest of the county in median income by 18% (Madison's median income is $50 - 55K and the rest of the county is $60 - 65K), wealth (and their discretionary income) is moving to the suburbs and businesses will follow. He talks about how this isn't unusal in many cities. [Wow, was he just comparing us to inner cities that experience white flight? Do you think they have median incomes of $50K?] Fitchburg and Sun Prairie show and even more stark changes in incomes with nearly $70K and $65K median incomes respectively. [Ok, so this is even more ironic as Fitchburg doesn't have a downtown.] He says the velocity and trends of change are really concerns because the outlying areas have much higher incomes. Fitchburg had a 37.6% increase, Sun Prarie a 25.9% and Madison 21.2% in median incomes 2000 - 2008. [Its disturbing he doesn't mention the numbers of residential homes built during this period and the fact that you could buy more home for the same dollars in some of these areas. Finally, he doesn't mention that other areas of the state and country are losing population and we are lucky to have growth. He makes it sound like people are moving out of Madison, when in fact we are growing as well.] He says that Madison jobs grew 10% and the county's jobs grew 15% and he points out this is a 50% difference. Again the slide says "as household and discretionary income moves, jobs follow" seeming to imply people are leaving Madison. Says we need jobs throughout the spectrum (low end jobs and high end jobs) and we needs jobs that are stable. The slide says "One of the most important functions that a city can provide
is an environment of stable, quality jobs for its citizens." He says the City is driven off property tax and property tax is direct reflection of average incomes and wages. 70% of our revenue is from property taxes. Says the latest numbers that show an increase in property taxes for Madison but that doesn't include the residential and that the increase was in commerical construction - he says it doesn't count tho because they are projects that were in the works before the economy crashed.
Commercial property increased $377.8M
Residential property decreased through re-evaluations by $233.8M
Property Formerly Exempt increased by $12.3M [Now you can see what that fight is about.]
Total increase $224.5M [I didn't detail everything.]
[Hmm, residential property values are down, but over all the city is up due to commercial real estate values and yet he is trying to tell us that we are in serious trouble? I don't quite think his numbers or anecdotes are backing him up.]
Residential property values are down in 2009 by 1% and not increasing at the same rate (7 - 8% 2002 - 2006) as in previous years. [Again, he fails to mention the real estate market and what affect that has on all this.] He says we need high income jobs and properties so we can continue to keep the quality of life we enjoy here in Madison.
How economic development has changed? No longer chasing smokestacks, but looking at the environment we create and how we can encourage businesses and what barriers we create to businesses moving here. [He presents an interesting chart that I couldn't successfully replicate for you.] They have done a SWOT analysis.
Strengths: Innovation, Existing Clusters (biotech), Workforce, Culture & Character (Cooley makes a snarky comment about the "character" of Madison and not needing to comment further), Quality of Life
Opportunities: Outperform region/state/nation, Emerging clusters, Build awareness
Weakness -Core perceived as inhospitable to business [Core what? He skipped over this and moved on quickly. I think he was talking about the alders.], Lack of risk capital, State business environment, Lack of awareness
Threats - Lingering recession/ paralysis, Anti-growth contingent - “BANANA”, Core asset values [Again, core what? I think he is talking about the property values in the downtown alder districts], Status quo attitude, Competition
6:28 - Matt M now explains the suggestions for the 2010 plan, explains where it came from (Based on 3-5 Year Strategic Economic Development, Implementation Plan. Adjustment for current economy. Guidance needed from Common Council and EDC.) Says that they need funding and staffing because can't do it all. Goes over hand out, didn't add much that wasn't printed on the hand out. [I'll put this up tomorrow with editorial comments about what is missing and further needed. Perhaps one of the first things they could do it become more public friendly and get the materials out ahead of time and provide them on their website? A link instead of handed out paper.]
DISCUSSION
Rhodes-Conway asked how to give input. Matt M says annotated handout is fine. Suggests that within each of the recommendation areas to mark priorities, note top 3 or 4, let them know where you have questions. No one right way to provide the feedback.
Clear says council leadership has added 2 additional alder positions to the Economic Development Commission. It will be discussed at CCOC July 7 and back at council on July 21st. Mayor and leadership feels this will help strengthen the committee.
Pham-Remmele - Says it is a well thought out and impressive plan, needs more time to go through and observe and compare to what she knows. Unprecedented economic downturn, just came from a special meeting with commerical real estate owners. Says we are discussing this as a family matter so she will discuss it openly - talks about Meadowood Mall which has Anchor Bank, branch library, Walgreens, barbershop, dry cleaner, chinese take out and pizza and hardware store. Heart of community and having alot of problems she doesn't want to bring up. She says she has 2 questions but then talks [!] about how they can't keep this confidential any longer, wants businesses to stay, says they have lost some businesses, butcher shop became a community center, hardware store wants to be guaranteed that it will be stable or they will leave to their second store in Cottage Grove. She wants to ask him to please stay, and notes that "many man in the area would find an excuse to go to the hardware store 3 times a day, you know that". She says she asked him not to put a closing sign up. She asked "what chip do I exchange with him?" [Wow, almost sounds like bribery the way she said it. I wonder if the businesses asked her that question.] On the other side people who live in the neighborhood want businesses to come to the mall. So, she trusts staff to be open and tell her how they are doing this. [Why does she feel the need to say that?] The question she has, how firm and how flexible is the 3 - 5 year plan? What about the urgent needs? We don't want to lose any more of the tax base. Please be a honest as possible with me. [Sigh . . . ]
Cooley says it is tough, we need to change the entire city, it has to become more sensitive to bringing up disposable income and bring up wages. Otherwise stores will be moving. Talks about Willy Sutton when asked why he rob banks, Willy said "that is where the money is". Businesses will move to suburbs if we do not change the dynamic. Downtown has to appeal to all people, not just students and state workers. Older areas of the city need to be redeveloped. Some of the workforce, affordable housing and homeless shelters have to be shared with the other communities - otherwise it won't work. This isn't a city or zoning decision, its a business decision. People look at the demographics and what the demographics will support. He says right now, there is nothing we can do.
Pham-Remmele says she wants to have a private meeting, they agree. Says we can't wait 5 years.
Cooley says that we can be as flexible as we need to be. Some of the suggestions in the handout he suggest are not as important using the example of mission statement and website, but working on more direct efforts to figure out from a city perspecive what should we be?
Pham-Remmele asks about UW, but she says we need entry level jobs. Even low income to (need to?) bring home the bacon. Very important, start from the bottom up.
Clear says that Pham-Remmele asked a fundamental question, why should a business locate here instead of Sun Prairie, why should business staM in an at risk neighborhood (Meadowood vs Monroe St) not Cottage Grove. Clear asks how you address at risk neighborhood. How do we reverse the trend of hardware store being replaced with check cashing or . . . Pham-Remmele steps back in and adds liquor store?
Cooley doesn't answer, says he is glad Clear said it was a rhetorical question. [I'm quite certain Clear never said that and it was odd how he sidestepped that question.]
Cooley says city is a wonderfully care giving society and it has changed the demographics of the city. Suburbs can do things that we can't. We don't have housing for middle, or upper management. It's a race to the bottom. Maybe Madison [housing] should be a little higher priced than the rest of the area. It may take a fundamental change. And we need to do this with fact driven inforamtion. If we are going to be a successful city, we need to take a long hard look at what we are doing now. [Ok, his use of the word "demographics" is just starting to get a little creepy. It seems like it is code for something. Low-income? People of color?]
Pham-Remmele talks about how Judy Compton sold houses to many of the people in her neighborhood. [Why, wasn't quite sure.]
Cooley says we need to have low crime and good schools. Companies can locate anywhere, but families will move somewhere because of the schools and crime. We have to be very aware of where we are today and if that is a compelling reason to attract the kinds of people we need to support the community.
Pham Remmele says she is very painful, but talks about schools and says people vote with their feet and move and as a compassionate city we think about those who don't have that option.
King says there is some urgency, and the preception that Madison is unfriendly and asks how to turn that ship around. Says people like the older homes with character and they need alot of work and they don't want to touch those houses, how will we reinvest in neighborhood? He talks about how the process is hard? How do we do that? [I'm completely confused, what process, its a "free market" process at the moment.] Cooley says "you are an alder and you can change that."
King asks how they will communicate that thinkgs have changed. Someone with a bad experience will tell 20 people and someone with a good experience will sell one. Cooley points out the Mike Ivey article about the new very expensive building on W Johnson and how that developer couldn't say enough nice things about Madison's process. Also talks about how Full Compass has good stories to tell - however, he couldn't seem to remember the name of the company. He talks about how perception becomes reality, says it has gotten better but still convoluted. Talks about Landmarks, Urbran Design Commission & Plan commission and about how things get sent to subcommittees [seriously? how often does that happen?] and referrals back and forth - he says more study doesn't result in better end results. He then notes "historic is always old, old is not always historic".
Clear says he is hearing the city process is improving but it takes a long time to get past the reputation.
Cooley says we can benchmark that - look at approval times in other cities and we can measure that. Madison's unique way of doing things - everyone has a voice in it all the time. We can keep that character and work with it. Suburbs are taking it away from us.[Um, someone should give him the study the plan department did a few years ago that noted how long our approvals took and how we ranked with other cities.]
Bidar-Sielaff says that she has been to the suburbs and they are not taking anything away from her. She suggests we need to tell our own good stories. Need something besides the website. How can we highlight, with our partners, the good stories. Business of the month. Says those who live and work here has a story to tell.
Cooley says it is kind of in the plan, marketing both internally and externally. Will do it through website and using technology within constructions of state laws. They may do a blog "and the like".
Clausius asks about recommendation 3 - community infrastructure. He talks about a roundabout and extensions for Parkside Drive and there is talk that the projects won't stay in the budget. Steinhaufels is concerned about the projects not going through. How much support can he get from EDC with the capital budget. Round about was pushed back last year - its important for the Lien Road project. He says needs support for that project.
Cooley said that EDC should be weighing in on alot of things from crime statistics and ordinances. [Duh, remember when Zach very plainly told the council that the EDC didn't want to get tied up considering ordinances that the city was passing and that they just wanted to do their work. We tried to refer items there, but they didn't want that. Perhaps Cooley should have a conversation with (past?) EDC members about this.] He says we are blessed to have Matt, Michael, Don Marx and Percy who can find money.
Clear tells Clausius he should talk to alders on Board of Estimates. [Clausius is on BOE.]
Clausius asks about recomnedation #4 - commercial database. Right now major fast food franchise that wants to come in to Madison, but they want a regional training center. He says it would be good to have EDC out there to help. Doesn't want to see it go to Fitchburg or Sun Prairie. Cooley says that Michael Gay has info, but database is not as developed. Individual brokers want to keep their own inforamtion. Milwaukee has a system that is now the de facto standard. Matt has been working with THRIVE for the past three months, but there are intrenched interests. Cooley says tho that "we will drive it [getting a commercial database] out of the City of Madison and take advantage of being the 800 pound gorilla."
Schmidt asks about jobs and what the software will do to create jobs. Cooley says CRM (Customer Relation Management) is really the problem, we are our own worst enemy - anything that comes to city is open record. He says they are talking to companies about confidential matters, we don't want to put that into a database that is readily accessible. We know what is going on, and we keep a good database ourselves, written contacts and in our minds. No real need to get that CRM database right now. The software could do follow ups, newsletters and ticklers.
Schmidt also says he never heard of the phrase "business homesteading". Cooley says he made that up. Says the idea not quite flushed out. He talks about the Mayor's ideas of green building and how the city could define buiding standards for city controlled land and that a couple could come in and build to these standards and if they stay there for a period of time, the land could be sold to them cheaply. He suggests that we do the same with businesses, if you do it this way, over time we might be able to make a deal. He asks how do we incent from a policy prospective. He says they are playing with the concept to see if it is going anywhere.
Schmidt asks about the community tours, where would they go? Cooley says Southern California, several looking for lower cost areas for manufacturing. Some have customer bases that need warehouse or distribution centers. They are looking at Mexico and others. He said "nobody in their right mind wants to go down there, espeically border towns." 30% differential in costs by locating in midwest. He says we can do the same thing internationally. He says 2nd tier German and Sweedish companies want to have a US presence. He says their industry clusters and demographics that match ours.
Schmidt asked about cities that had similiar challenges as ours and were successful. Cooley says no one has had similar experiences. The recent economy changes are a "major reset", jobs of the past are no longer going to be the jobs of the future. The way we used to cope with recession was to have safety nets, jobs aren't going to come back this time, need to find those jobs that will have a competitive advantage, we need to work to grow our own and agreesively pursue more. Work with MATC to train people, we will lose and gain some people - we just need to make sure we gain the right people.
Schmidt asks how we can avoid common mistakes. Cooley says that we can't over micromanage the workforce, we can't become enamored with the next cool thing, which he points out is biotech and biopharma but then quickly notes that those are not big job creators. He says that biotech plays better in Madison and that we have a better shot here but every state and many cities think that and most of the centers are in Boston, San Diego and ?? South San Francisco?? Says we have a better chance because we have the workforce and university.
Palm asks about the perception of Madison. He points out that there have been a number of situations where the city was accused of putting up barriers, the projects were approved, but the businesses didn't move forward. The businesses backed away. He says we are spending alot of energy helping someone who makes a stink and then we don't get the benefits of all that work.Palm says that we can't serve all of our customers if some of them are just playing with us.
Palm asks how do we assess which project get a priority, how do you decide? Is it first come first serve? Cooley says it is partially triage, partially opportunistic. Says TIF changes concentrate on creating jobs.
Maniaci and Verveer arrive.
Palm asks if additional city financial assistance. He notes that we had $1 for a revolving fund, how do we expand the dollars available. Cooley says that we need to take advantage of all the programs out there. He talks about a program he just found out about this morning, for city owned land, feds pay us back 45% of interest to purchase the land. There is also a program for privately owned land. Says an allocation has been made to Madison. Cooley notes communications are important and we need to be making sure we don't leave things on the table, need to be time effective, need to make better use of consultants and the legislative side.
Palm asks about the workforce conference that was delayed because the staff says they don't have enough staff. He asks "what is full staff?" Cooley says they are putting numbers to it now and they need to pick and choose and find out what the priorities are of the executive and legislative arms of government. He says that its not that they don't care about the work force, but other people are working at it and they are at the table with them. [Sounds like they don't intend to follow through on the workforce development work.]
Palm tries to ask the question again about how much staff they need. Cooley avoids answering the question. Says that is why they are here, to ask the council what their priories are.
Mendoza commends staff, Tim, Matt, Michael, Peggy. Work hard and you're looking at a snapshot. They know the work plan is not all inclusive. Thanks council for interest and Bruer and Clear for remaining engaged as they are. Says there will be a menu of options, many of which will relate to the city budget. The question is what will the prioritize if they costs dollars, where will they devote limited resources. Says this is the next step in the conversations. Thanks Julia Stone from EDC for coming.
They ask if Julia would like to add anything ? She's only been on EDC for one month but she " fully agrees with Tim's synopsis".
7:35 ends, kinda.
They quickly annouce that this will be at the EDC at next two meetings (July 1 and Aug 5). [Wow, nice to do it while people are out on the summer vacations!]. They says they will have a bigger room because it has been crowded. They may have a broader public input session late summer or fall as well.
Everyone starts talking - Thuy yells at them to be quiet in her best teacher voice.
Cooley asks the alders to look at the increased use of BIDS, looking at map for logical places and they are looking to get together with alders and business leaders in that area to talk about the success. Says government can't maintain the level of services the downtown bit is doing and wants others to have those advantages.
Then, I think they are done and adjourn again.
For recommendations 1 - 3, see here.
For recommendations 4 - 6, see here.
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Monday, June 22, 2009
Yet Another Demolition
Another house outlived it's practical usefulness?
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Please be advised that Joan Pregler will be filing a demolition permit application on August 19, 2009 for Plan Commission review that calls for a single-family house located at 1119 Merrill Springs Rd Madison, WI 53705 to be demolished. For more information regarding this forthcoming application, you may contact the applicant, Joan Pregler, Joan Pregler Design Associates, LLC, 7919 Airport Road P.O. Box 620424 Middleton, WI 53562 at jpda@chorus.net or (608)831-7733.
Applicant's Comments:
Many design attempts to remodel this 1948 Single-Family Home proved unsuitable for retrofit. Demolition & construction of a new home on the R-1 zoned property will: achieve accessibility for Aging-In-Place using ADA principles, locate the garage at grade level, obtain energy efficiency, & correct drainage and water issues.
Owners will contact neighbors & the Association to preview their proposed new home. Historic Preservation indicates there are no historical or neighborhood issues.
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There is Free Lunch!
At the Goodman Community Center!
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WHAT: Free Lunch and recreation program!!
The Goodman Community Center is offering a free lunch and recreation program for any children under age 18. Any child 7 and under must be accompanied by an adult or a sibling over the age of 10.
WHEN: Monday-Friday
June 22- August 21
Lunch: 11:30-12:30 for all ages
Open supervised recreation: 12:30-2:30 in the gymnasium for all ages
Supper : 3:30-6:30 for youth 12 and older in the Lussier Teen Center
Middle and high school activities available until 9 pm
Where: Goodman Community Center Gymnasium
149 Waubesa St.
CONTACT: Tanya Martinez-Knauer at 241-1574 ext 237 or tanyamk@goodmancenter.org
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Some things, make too much sense!
How could safe roads be politicized and controversial?
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Coalition for Safe Roads
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: 06/19/09
MEDIA ADVISORY
Contact: Christine Neumann Ortiz or Jeanne Geraci
Office: 414-643-1620
Cell: 414.736.2835 or 414.426.6891The Coalition for Safe Roads and Law Enforcement Urge Legislature to Adopt Driver Cards
Here's some other things going on today in this regard:
The Coalition for Safe Roads, a broad coalition of law enforcement, dairy farmers, labor unions, faith leaders, and advocacy groups, will be holding a Press Conference and lobby day on Monday, June 22 to urge the Wisconsin State Legislature to adopt the Assembly version of the driver cards provision in the Wisconsin State Budget. The driver cards would serve as limited purpose driver's licenses for undocumented and legal immigrants who are currently unable to provide documentary proof of their legal status but who otherwise qualify for driver's licenses.
The driver card is of urgent necessity to ensure the safety of our roads and communities in Wisconsin. It has received support from the Wisconsin Chiefs of Police Association, the Wisconsin Troopers Association, as well as numerous local law enforcement officials around the state including Milwaukee Chief Flynn, Madison Chief Wray, Whitewater Chief Coan, Beloit Chief Lathrop, Appleton Chief Walsh, Green Bay Chief Arts, and the Village of Dorchester Police Department.
After the Press Conference, Coalition leaders will lobby legislative leadership in support of the Driver Card provision.
What: Coalition for Safe Roads Press Conference in Support of Driver Card Provision
When: Monday, June 22,10:00 - 10:30am
Where: Assembly Parlor, Wisconsin State Capitol, Madison
Speakers:
Officer Carlos ValentÃn, Amigos en Azul, City of Madison Police Department
John Rosenow, Rosenholm-Wolfe Dairy, Cochrane, WI
Christine Neumann - Ortiz, Executive Director, Voces de la Frontera
SEIU Representative
URGENT Action for Driver's Licenses and In State Tuition!
Madison, Monday June 22nd
10:00am - 10:30am: Coalition for Safe Roads Press Conference in Support of Driver Cards Provision
10:30am- 12:00pm: Presence in capitol and lobby
12:00pm: Voces de la Frontera Rally on State Street Capitol Steps to support Driver Cards and In State Tuition
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The "What Not To Do" Week Ahead
Well, this week is kind of discouraging, its a great example of what not to do (list at the end of the post)!
Monday, June 22, 2009
4:00 PM PUBLIC HEARING: 2009 JUSTICE ASSISTANCE GRANT TOWN OF MADISON TOWN HALL, 2120 FISH HATCHERY RD, MADISON 53713
- How should the police spend their money they get from this grant? My guess is, no one shows up. And even if they do, nothing will change.
5:30 PM ZONING CODE REWRITE ADVISORY COMMITTEE COMMUNITY SUMMIT 211 STATE ST. PROMENADE HALL
- It's getting closer to a final proposal. Unfortunately, there is so much info, I think it is hard to have a meaningful public process. Especially when they didn't tell anyone about the meeting til last week. And when the Alders asked on Tuesday how it was being advertised, they said the Mayor was doing a press release. Which went out on Friday . . . wow, you'd think they didn't want people to show up.
6:00 PM COMMON COUNCIL - DISCUSSION ROOM 201 CCB
- Council leadership gets an "F" in scheduling this. Brilliant, schedule a council briefing for the same time as a Community Summit on the Zoning Code. Or, perhaps they don't want anyone to see what they are doing with Economic Development (yawn . . . my guess is that they're doing nothing to address the current economy or create jobs unless they are high end biotech type jobs. Note, the notice says addressing the "business climate", not the people who suffering as a result.) This article makes it sound like the council will actually make decisions - but I don't think they can during a "discussion" where quorum is not required.
Tuesday, June 23, 2009
12:00 PM PERSONNEL BOARD ROOM 501 CCB
- Here it is folks, the new personnel rules, city staff should be paying attention!
5:30 PM EAST WASHINGTON/CAPITOL GATEWAY BUILD STEERING COMMITTEE ROOM LL-110 MMB
- Holy crap! I wonder if anyone will show up, I don't think this committee has met in nearly two years, in fact, there are 6 vacancies. Too bad the ordinance isn't available, I'm sure that will also cut down on the public input. And I wonder if they will get quorum in the summer with all those vacancies.
5:30 PM ZONING CODE REWRITE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MADISON CENTRAL LIBRARY, 201 W MIFFLIN ST, ROOMS 202 & 204
- That's alot of topics to discuss with a large group in 90 minutes.
Wednesday, June 24, 2009
5:30 PM ZONING CODE REWRITE ADVISORY COMMITTEE COMMUNITY MEETING 4340 TOKAY BLVD.
5:30 PM ZONING CODE REWRITE ADVISORY COMMITTEE COMMUNITY MEETING 1625 NORTHPORT DR
- These two agendas look pretty much the same as Monday's community summit. So, I think they are all the same, but I don't know why they have different names?
Thursday, June 25, 2009
I got nothing. But that's ok, you can come to the "People's Vision for Affordable Housing" at the Public Library at 5:00. We really DO want your input, please!
So, I'm not sure if its a naturally slow week, or if many more meetings will get added to the agenda, but I suggest that you check back later in the week to see if items got missed?
WHAT NOT TO DO
This weeks "what not to do" list.
1. Hold a public hearing with no specific information available so the public won't have anything to comment on. (Police, East Wash)
2. Take an extremely complex and complicated topic and try to summarize for the public and leave little time for questions. (Zoning Code)
3. Schedule a council briefing AND a community summit on the same night. (Council Briefing on Economic Development Work Plan)
4. Don't advertise your community meeting in a meaningful way and wait to send out the press release until Friday when the meeting is on Monday. (Zoning Code)
5. Label your events in a confusing manner so people don't know which meetings to attend. (Community Summit and Community Meetings with same agendas)
6. Appoint a HUGE (over 20 people) committee, don't meet for nearly two years, then schedule a meeting on a summer evening. (E Washington)
7. Have a meeting about an ordinance that is several pages long and don't have it available to the public. (E Washington)
8. Schedule a discussion for 90 minutes with a HUGE (over 20 people) committee with a long list of topics that could each be discussed for 90 minutes. (Zoning Code)
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Monday, June 22, 2009
4:00 PM PUBLIC HEARING: 2009 JUSTICE ASSISTANCE GRANT TOWN OF MADISON TOWN HALL, 2120 FISH HATCHERY RD, MADISON 53713
- How should the police spend their money they get from this grant? My guess is, no one shows up. And even if they do, nothing will change.
5:30 PM ZONING CODE REWRITE ADVISORY COMMITTEE COMMUNITY SUMMIT 211 STATE ST. PROMENADE HALL
- It's getting closer to a final proposal. Unfortunately, there is so much info, I think it is hard to have a meaningful public process. Especially when they didn't tell anyone about the meeting til last week. And when the Alders asked on Tuesday how it was being advertised, they said the Mayor was doing a press release. Which went out on Friday . . . wow, you'd think they didn't want people to show up.
6:00 PM COMMON COUNCIL - DISCUSSION ROOM 201 CCB
- Council leadership gets an "F" in scheduling this. Brilliant, schedule a council briefing for the same time as a Community Summit on the Zoning Code. Or, perhaps they don't want anyone to see what they are doing with Economic Development (yawn . . . my guess is that they're doing nothing to address the current economy or create jobs unless they are high end biotech type jobs. Note, the notice says addressing the "business climate", not the people who suffering as a result.) This article makes it sound like the council will actually make decisions - but I don't think they can during a "discussion" where quorum is not required.
Tuesday, June 23, 2009
12:00 PM PERSONNEL BOARD ROOM 501 CCB
- Here it is folks, the new personnel rules, city staff should be paying attention!
5:30 PM EAST WASHINGTON/CAPITOL GATEWAY BUILD STEERING COMMITTEE ROOM LL-110 MMB
- Holy crap! I wonder if anyone will show up, I don't think this committee has met in nearly two years, in fact, there are 6 vacancies. Too bad the ordinance isn't available, I'm sure that will also cut down on the public input. And I wonder if they will get quorum in the summer with all those vacancies.
5:30 PM ZONING CODE REWRITE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MADISON CENTRAL LIBRARY, 201 W MIFFLIN ST, ROOMS 202 & 204
- That's alot of topics to discuss with a large group in 90 minutes.
Wednesday, June 24, 2009
5:30 PM ZONING CODE REWRITE ADVISORY COMMITTEE COMMUNITY MEETING 4340 TOKAY BLVD.
5:30 PM ZONING CODE REWRITE ADVISORY COMMITTEE COMMUNITY MEETING 1625 NORTHPORT DR
- These two agendas look pretty much the same as Monday's community summit. So, I think they are all the same, but I don't know why they have different names?
Thursday, June 25, 2009
I got nothing. But that's ok, you can come to the "People's Vision for Affordable Housing" at the Public Library at 5:00. We really DO want your input, please!
So, I'm not sure if its a naturally slow week, or if many more meetings will get added to the agenda, but I suggest that you check back later in the week to see if items got missed?
WHAT NOT TO DO
This weeks "what not to do" list.
1. Hold a public hearing with no specific information available so the public won't have anything to comment on. (Police, East Wash)
2. Take an extremely complex and complicated topic and try to summarize for the public and leave little time for questions. (Zoning Code)
3. Schedule a council briefing AND a community summit on the same night. (Council Briefing on Economic Development Work Plan)
4. Don't advertise your community meeting in a meaningful way and wait to send out the press release until Friday when the meeting is on Monday. (Zoning Code)
5. Label your events in a confusing manner so people don't know which meetings to attend. (Community Summit and Community Meetings with same agendas)
6. Appoint a HUGE (over 20 people) committee, don't meet for nearly two years, then schedule a meeting on a summer evening. (E Washington)
7. Have a meeting about an ordinance that is several pages long and don't have it available to the public. (E Washington)
8. Schedule a discussion for 90 minutes with a HUGE (over 20 people) committee with a long list of topics that could each be discussed for 90 minutes. (Zoning Code)
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Friday, June 19, 2009
Help Needed to Pay for Funeral Services for Homeless Man
Since I know that many of you might be interested in helping, I thought I should pass along this information:
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Dear Ms. Wallinger:
Thank you for sharing with me information regarding the City's Homeless programs and the Block Grants you administer. This information is helpful to me and my interest in improving homeless access to healthcare.
Additionally, I thought you might also like to know that I am communicating with Dwayne Warren's mother and collected monies for his funeral and burial. Currently, Dane County is providing 2,000 dollars which is all the money that is available for these services. I am collecting money because I believe that the funeral will expense out at around 5,000 dollars. Dwayne's family is without resources and I am making arrangements for his mother's transportation. However, I am very pleased and grateful to the Salvation Army who is donating a plot a Sunset Memorial Garden Cemetery off of Mineral Point Road.
I am opening an account at M&I for contributions to the Dwayne Warren Memorial Fund, the residual will be split between the family and a health care provider that provides free healthcare.
Please pass this information along to those you believe may be interested, as well as those who may wish to attend his funeral.
PAYABLE TO:
Dwayne Warren Memorial Fund
C/O Todd Hunter Law Office
115 West Main Street, 2nd Floor
Madison, WI 53703
If anyone wishes to help me with this endeavor, please provide to them my
telephone number (608) 255-8678 and address.
Again, thank you for your work and providing me with the outline of services
the City of Madison helps support.
Sincerely,
Todd Hunter
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It's Friday . . .
So, its time for comments on a smattering of things that went on this week and other miscellaneous items!
VERVEER SAYS HE IS NOT BAD
I've been asked to clarify. Verveer has not actually introduced, nor does he plan to at the moment, anything to do with the street musicians. He simply intends to talk about it at the next meeting. Apparently, the issue he sees is that the musicians are in the places that the vendors at the Farmer's Market have paid for. If that's the only issue, then why not just address that? I guess I'll have suspend my judgment about if Verveer is BAD or not.
CRAZY COUNCIL MEETING
I blogged about the insanity at the council meeting this week. It had several county board members last night rightly feeling pretty smug that they run a good meeting. Several people thanked me for shining a light on this matter and I got several new followers on Twitter and Facebook as a result. However, while my description was mostly a blow by blow of the meeting with a few comments interspersed, Dusty's description was much better. This week's "bad" designation goes to Dean Mosiman and his editors! I think they should be made to watch that segment of the meeting over, and over and over and over!
SPEAKING OF THE COUNTY BOARD (STICKING IT TO THE SHERIFF?)
I nearly fell off my chair last night when the County Board refused to change the ordinance that would allow the sheriff to charge the eviction fees that they had passed in the budget. I wonder if they were sticking it to the sheriff because he refuses to listen to them on the immigration issues, or if that is just wishful thinking? Either way, its good news for both landlords and tenants in that the landlord will be charged less to do an eviction therefore less money will get passed along to the tenants! It was freaky to record a vote with both Vedder and Bruskewitz!
WHAT'D WE MISS?
I sent out the blog posts of Forward Our Motto and myself responding to Blaska's plan for addressing issues in Meadowood. I asked people what solutions we missed. I got very few responses, but there were some interesting things I thought I should share:
- Some people think that the neighborhood is already meeting and trying to solve the problems.
- The community gardens and the new farmer's market are two positive steps that the community is taking. And of course, they have their neighborhood center which their Alder voted against! grrrr . . .
- Some people appreciate that landlords will do month to month leases with probation and parole clients. I appreciate it too, I just don't think it should be mandated. Unless we mandate that they have to rent to people on probation and parole! :)
- I thought some might be interested in what faith communities are doing in the Allied Drive Neighborhood:
ALLIED DRIVE PEACE MARCH
One of the responses I got mentioned that this was going on and I thought I should pass it along:
SORRY IF I MADE YOU CRASH!
On Monday I started getting calls from City staff that my blog was down. They were upset, they needed their fix! So, I didn't think anything of it because it worked for me on several computers in several locations, but I got more complaints and then tried to think about what would be doing it. At first I assumed it was a blogger issue, then I remembered that I added the "share" button to my posts late last week. And come to think about it, the views of my blog were down quite a bit. So, I removed the share button, had someone test it and voila! the website worked on the city machines. IT staff explained that "It looks like the share button is hosted on a website that is blocked by our Internet Content Filter." Well, that explains it! But, when sharing this story with others, I learned that apparently I was crashing computers all over the city. My humble apologies!!!
IF A HOMELESS MAN DIES DOES ANYONE KNOW
Usually not. Unless he dies on the Capital grounds! Of course, that limited recognition only lasted a few moment as hours later they were setting up for a noon event in the very same area.
ALDERS REFUSE THEIR SALARIES!
Ok, not so much. Remember the hoopla Pham-Remmele made over the ordinance change that would allow alders to turn in their salaries if they didn't want them? Well, they had 30 days from the day that they were sworn in to notify the clerk if they wanted to refuse a portion or all of their salary. Well, the first opportunity to do so was with the last election and how many do you think turned in a portion or all of their pay. Zero. Zip. Nada. Not even the Queen of Grandstanding herself, the sponsor of the ordinance Ms. Pham-Remmele. Hmmm . . . some might say that was a waste of time.
THANK YOU!!!
Thank you, thank you, thank you to all the blog readers for your lovely comments over the past few weeks. I'm glad so many find value (information) and humor in my posts. And thanks to those who said they voted for me in the Isthmus poll. I'm glad that so many are finding that they know so much more about what is going on in local government these days. And I appreciate everyone who thinks I should get paid to do this . . . the only problem is . . . while I could use a copy editor (sigh!) I don't think I'd want to give up my content control!
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VERVEER SAYS HE IS NOT BAD
I've been asked to clarify. Verveer has not actually introduced, nor does he plan to at the moment, anything to do with the street musicians. He simply intends to talk about it at the next meeting. Apparently, the issue he sees is that the musicians are in the places that the vendors at the Farmer's Market have paid for. If that's the only issue, then why not just address that? I guess I'll have suspend my judgment about if Verveer is BAD or not.
CRAZY COUNCIL MEETING
I blogged about the insanity at the council meeting this week. It had several county board members last night rightly feeling pretty smug that they run a good meeting. Several people thanked me for shining a light on this matter and I got several new followers on Twitter and Facebook as a result. However, while my description was mostly a blow by blow of the meeting with a few comments interspersed, Dusty's description was much better. This week's "bad" designation goes to Dean Mosiman and his editors! I think they should be made to watch that segment of the meeting over, and over and over and over!
SPEAKING OF THE COUNTY BOARD (STICKING IT TO THE SHERIFF?)
I nearly fell off my chair last night when the County Board refused to change the ordinance that would allow the sheriff to charge the eviction fees that they had passed in the budget. I wonder if they were sticking it to the sheriff because he refuses to listen to them on the immigration issues, or if that is just wishful thinking? Either way, its good news for both landlords and tenants in that the landlord will be charged less to do an eviction therefore less money will get passed along to the tenants! It was freaky to record a vote with both Vedder and Bruskewitz!
WHAT'D WE MISS?
I sent out the blog posts of Forward Our Motto and myself responding to Blaska's plan for addressing issues in Meadowood. I asked people what solutions we missed. I got very few responses, but there were some interesting things I thought I should share:
- Some people think that the neighborhood is already meeting and trying to solve the problems.
- The community gardens and the new farmer's market are two positive steps that the community is taking. And of course, they have their neighborhood center which their Alder voted against! grrrr . . .
- Some people appreciate that landlords will do month to month leases with probation and parole clients. I appreciate it too, I just don't think it should be mandated. Unless we mandate that they have to rent to people on probation and parole! :)
- I thought some might be interested in what faith communities are doing in the Allied Drive Neighborhood:
Faith communities are already involved in the Allied Drive Neighborhood – Fountain of Life holds services there, the Allied Partners (a collaboration of MUM and about fifteen other faith communities) is actively engaged, supporting community events like the Allied Festival and Community Meals, the food pantry, eviction prevention, the Allied Wellness Center, special funding to the Urban League to help them get a transportation component for a new jobs initiative off the ground, and support of the Neighborhood Association. And the group is working with the Wellness Center and others to develop a cooperative program that emphasizes responsibility, accountability, empowerment and community development from the grassroots level. I just wanted to make sure that people understand that faith communities are involved, those who are not as involved often don’t know that. Faith Communities involved in the Allied Drive Community include First Baptist, Society of Friends, Good Shepherd Lutheran, Westminster Presbyterian, Fountain of Life, Bethany United Methodist, Our Lady Queen of Peace, Memorial United Church of Christ, Orchard Ridge United Church of Christ and others.I'm still kinda surprised I didn't get more responses about what people thought was needed. Perhaps community policing instead of more police and human services are just the answer. However, I do have to note, while many say that the police are not in the area enough, I have also heard others refer to it as a "police state". Interesting differences of perception.
ALLIED DRIVE PEACE MARCH
One of the responses I got mentioned that this was going on and I thought I should pass it along:
The Allied Drive Neighborhood Association is planning a peace march next Thursday 6/25 at 8:00 p.m. beginning in front of their offices. Those who would like to participate in a prayer session pre-march can come at 7:30.
SORRY IF I MADE YOU CRASH!
On Monday I started getting calls from City staff that my blog was down. They were upset, they needed their fix! So, I didn't think anything of it because it worked for me on several computers in several locations, but I got more complaints and then tried to think about what would be doing it. At first I assumed it was a blogger issue, then I remembered that I added the "share" button to my posts late last week. And come to think about it, the views of my blog were down quite a bit. So, I removed the share button, had someone test it and voila! the website worked on the city machines. IT staff explained that "It looks like the share button is hosted on a website that is blocked by our Internet Content Filter." Well, that explains it! But, when sharing this story with others, I learned that apparently I was crashing computers all over the city. My humble apologies!!!
IF A HOMELESS MAN DIES DOES ANYONE KNOW
Usually not. Unless he dies on the Capital grounds! Of course, that limited recognition only lasted a few moment as hours later they were setting up for a noon event in the very same area.
ALDERS REFUSE THEIR SALARIES!
Ok, not so much. Remember the hoopla Pham-Remmele made over the ordinance change that would allow alders to turn in their salaries if they didn't want them? Well, they had 30 days from the day that they were sworn in to notify the clerk if they wanted to refuse a portion or all of their salary. Well, the first opportunity to do so was with the last election and how many do you think turned in a portion or all of their pay. Zero. Zip. Nada. Not even the Queen of Grandstanding herself, the sponsor of the ordinance Ms. Pham-Remmele. Hmmm . . . some might say that was a waste of time.
THANK YOU!!!
Thank you, thank you, thank you to all the blog readers for your lovely comments over the past few weeks. I'm glad so many find value (information) and humor in my posts. And thanks to those who said they voted for me in the Isthmus poll. I'm glad that so many are finding that they know so much more about what is going on in local government these days. And I appreciate everyone who thinks I should get paid to do this . . . the only problem is . . . while I could use a copy editor (sigh!) I don't think I'd want to give up my content control!
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County Board Recap
Meeting started promptly at 7:00 and ended at 8:35. 55 minutes of Special Matters and Announcements, 40 minutes of business.
A. ROLL CALL - Excuse Supervisors Hampton and Richmond [Announced on the Agenda]
Stubbs, Veldran, Downing, Rusk, Schmidt, Erickson, Wiganowsky all also absent.
Chair McDonell announced 27 present - 10 absent and Hampton, Richmond, Rusk and Wiggy are all excused. [I missed one of the absenses because the County Clerk doesn't repeat the roll call and it is hard to hear who says they are here.]
1. Prayer/Inspirational Message - Supervisor Stubbs (Veldran next)
2. Pledge of Allegiance - Supervisor Veldran
Stubbs not there, so Chair McDonell had them rise and recite the pledge.
B. SPECIAL MATTERS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS
1. Dane County Lakes and Watersheds State of the Waters Presentation
- Sue Jones, Office of Lakes & Watersheds Coordinator
Talks about Take a Stake in the Lakes events and other projects that they worked on in the last year: Turville Bay Research Project to try to get more native plant growth, Aquatic Invasive Species Planning, Municpal Storm Water Partnership including salt use recommendations, myfairlakes.com activities, working on activities in the Memorandum of Understanding with others to clean up the lakes, working plan to deal with nutrients and sediment, etc.
- Dane County Lakes & Watersheds 2009 Waters Champions Recognition
Jones introduced the three individual honorees.
2. Dane County Housing Authority Presentation - Supervisor Bayrd
Kate Nardi from the Dane County Housing Authority share information about foreclosures and what activities they are working on.
- In 2008 there was a 50% increase in foreclosures
- From 2008 to 2009 there was a 39% increase for the first quarter according to information that comes from CCAP (court records) and the UW
- In May of this year foreclosures increased 20% over last year with 650 court filings this year and 543 in 2008
- She explains that the 650 filings don't represent the struggles that the families are facing
- Nardi explained that the Housing Authority is the HUD Approved Housing Counseling Agency, they get HUD funding for their activities.
- In addition to trying to help people in foreclosure, they also try to support people before the foreclosure is filed.
- They serve City and County residents. 60% county, 40% city.
- They also have HCRI funding to help 14 households and FEMA funding to help 15 households if no job which is the 2nd wave of funding.
- They educate people about the legal process, talk to them about alternatives, go to court as advocates as well.
- She talked about local lawyers crafting a local rule for the court system that would require mediation in foreclosure cases.
- She said that they have a Pay for Performance Contract to pay for staff to work on the cases and they are one of the few who respond to a national 800# line.
- Welcomes ideas on how to increase capacity and number of people they can support.
3. Library Board's Plan for Service - Supervisor Martz
Martz & Wheeler came forward, Martz says they all got the plan in their mailboxes. He introduces the President of the Library Board.
- He thanks current and former Library Board Supervisors and introduces Julie Chase who is the Director of Library Services.
- Talks about article in WSJ yesterday by the Historical Society about how libraries used to be run.
- He says service demands are up.
- He highlighted challenges of building a new library in Fitchburg and Cottage Grove and how that would impact the library services county wide.
- Says they are doing well despite challenged.
- Thanks them for continuing to support the 100% funding for municpal reimbursements and the guidelines they adopted.
- He says the 100% reimbursements prevent libraries from having to cut hours.
- He asks them for input.
- Shares he heard from two library directors that they appreciate the comprhensive guidelines.
QUESTIONS
Hendrick says he supports 100% reimbursement, but says it won't be viable to have a stand alone library service in Fitchburg. He characterized the situation as hopeless and asks if that is correct.
Library Board President says they hired consultants a few years ago to try to figure out how to give services county wide if no Dane County library service, he said they had quite a few recommendations but each have pros and cons and there needs to be a public discussion before decisions are made.
4. Res 55,09-10 - Congratulating Ben Brummel for his Division 1 State Championship in Wrestling for Middleton High School
Supervisors from the Middleton School District Ferrell, Opitz & Ripp joined Hesselbein as she read the resolution.
Opitz thanks Hesselbein for writing the resolution and the Coach. Congratulates Ben for academic and athletic accomplishments and his community involvement in the bike and pedestrian plan for the City of Middleton. Quips that he is well equiped to wrestle with issues in the future.
Ben thanked them for the honor and thanks his family, coach, friends and team mates. Good four years and looking forward to college.
5. Res 56, 09-10 - Recognizing Dale Bruhn for his Years of Service to the Community
Matano reads the resolution with a long list of accomplishments. Lynn Green from Dane County Human Services as well as Vedder, DeSmidt, Wheeler and Willett(?) joined him to honor Bruhn's work on the Long Term Care Committee for the county.
Bruhn thanks them for the honor, says its almost overwhelming. Appreciated working on the committee that worked on critical needs for vulnerable populations and appreciates the support the Board has provided for statewide and nationally recognized programs.
Vedder says only known him for a few years, that when he announced he was leaving after 14 years there was agony and tears. His last meeting they had cake and champaign and broke all the rules.
Matano moved approval, Wheeler seconded. It passed on voice vote.
6. Announcements
Salov was recognized, but Jensen talked about the Fair. McDonell asked to make sure there would be Ponies this year, because his daughter was upset last year that they weren't there. Jensen plugged various activities during the fair. Dane County Fairest of the Fair winner also joined him. He explained it was the first ever and will compete in a statewide competition - her job is to promote the county.
Salov said Thursday is Military Appreciation Day and there is free admission and red white and blue ribbons for military and their families. He asks for volunteers from 2:00 on to help hand out the ribbons.
The Dane County Fairest of the Fair winner Molly talked about her role, the entertainment of the fair, what she has learned going to the Fair and invites people to the fair July 15th - 19th and says to look at the Dane County Fair website.
They also Announced the runner up and other contestants.
Downing - said resolution next month in honor of passing away of Linda Farley. Talked about her lifelong work as a physician, that she looked for the special light in everyone, was an activist and had a deep caring for vulnerable and social justice issues. He reminded them that she appeared before the county board on resolution supporting single payer health care and urging state to take action. She was huge advocate for the single payer system and believed that health care is a human right. She said once you realize that, then the only question is how to get people the care they need.
Sheriff - introduce recruiting class. Some are not newest class but newest deputies.
Veldran talked about recent shooting death of the 17 year old student. Says he was at the meeting with the Mayor and others to talk about solutions. He said they talked about police solutions, but also how community could reach out. He said the community had already started a community garden and June 24th they had already planned a farmer's market at the Orchard Ridge Church with 15 vendors. He says this is the grand opening 3:00 - 7:00 and talked about other activities that will be there. Said the farmers market will be on Wedensdays all through the growing season
Veldran also announced he was circulating a letter in light of the PSC decision to grant the ATC power line. He said that the original bill at the state allowed change in rules for condemantion with limited attorney fees which will prevent people from bringing cases. The letter urges reps and senators to reconsider that.
McDonell announed that there was a card circulating for Rusk who's sister passed away.
[That took til 7:55! Now, on to actual business of the board!]
C. APPROVAL OF BILLS & ACCOUNTS
1. Claims Recommended for Approval
They were approved with a few abstentions and at least one vote no on one of the items. But they all passed without discussion.
E. CONSENT CALENDAR
1. Ord Amdt. 3, 09-10 - Amending Chapter 17, Regarding Official Map Revisions Incorporating a Dam Failure Analysis Approved by the WDNR for Across Moen Creek in Steward Park (Adopt)
2. Ord Amdt. 5, 09-10 - Amending Chapter 69, Adjusting Speed Limits on County Highways (Adopt)
3. Res 2, 09-10 - Authorizing Dane County Participation in an Intergovernmental Agreement to Fund a Position for Storm Water Information, Education and Outreach Coordination for the Madison Area Municipal Storm Water Partnership (MAMSWaP) (Adopt)
4. Res 28, 09-10 - Encouraging Dane County Municipalities and Residents to Prevent Phosphorus Runoff into the Counties Lakes and Streams by Proper Disposal of Leaves and Yard Waste (Adopt)
5. Res 37, 09-10 - County Executive Appointments (Adopt)
6. Res 46, 09-10 - Supporting a Wisconsin Payday Lending Consumer Protection Act (Adopt)
7. Res 53, 09-10 - Establishing the Dane County 2010 Census Complete County Committee (Adopt)
8. Res 54, 09-10 - County Executive Appointments (Adopt)
Matano noted that DJ Laurie she graduated from law school and asked for that to be corrected.
Salov noted that the resolution on Payday Lending is important. We have had caps on loans but they are disappearing, loans going to 500 - 600% and should encourage legislators to pass a bill to fix this.
All of the items passed on a voice vote.
G. REPORTS ON ZONING PETITIONS
a. Map of Dane County
b. Summary of Grant as Modified petitions
1. Petition 9982 - Town of Primrose - Theodore White (Grant as Modified)
2. Petition 10049 - Town of Verona - Doerfer Brothers Inc (Grant as Modified)
No registrants, passes on a voice vote.
I. AWARD OF CONTRACTS
1. Res. 7, 09-10 - Award of Contract for New Badger Prairie Health Care Center (Adopt Sub 1.)
2. Res. 29, 09-10 - Authorizing the Purchase of Land at Cam-Rock County Park - Christensen (Adopt/Adopt with Amdt.)
REGISTRANT
One registrant, Finch in opposition. Says he is speaking for himself only. Says udgets are tight, county workers are furloughed and the purchase of the park shouldn't be a priority when people are concerned about losing jobs and homes. He said he has questions about what the impact of the delay would be.
McDonell explains that the public doesn't ask questions that he should ask his questions and they will try to address the questions during debate.
Finch asks if what other costs will be incurred if they purchase the property and how it will be paid for.
QUESTIONS OF REGISTRANTS
Salov asked if he has been monitoring purchases. Finch says no. Salov explained that there are many purchases the county is making (Anderson property and the Mazomanie Park) and suggests he looks at them in context
MOTION
Hendrick moves EANR amendment, Ferrell second. The amendments says that the proceeds from sales of house go to Conservation Fund. Passes voice vote with a few nos.
QUESTIONS OF STAFF
Hulsey - Says he understands that the property will generate rent and taxes. Asks about impact of delay. Staff says purchase contract is in place, seller may not sell if they wait past July. Says the trail is being constructed and it is hard to stop a project when ready to go. She said rent will be $700 per month plus they pay utilities and taxes. Hulsey says it will cover interest on money borrowed to purchase the land. He said they plan on selling property in the future. This helps complete trail and pays for itself.
McDonell asks about the accounts that Personnel & Finance froze.
Staff says Land and Water Legacy Account was frozen and $2.3M of projects won't go forward.
In the Conservation fund they only spent $1M of $7.5M planned.
Ripp explains that staff "low balls" estimates and they might make money on the deal. He said this is the last part to get the trail complete and usually they have to pay more than market rate. He says this is a good deal and the only issues is that they have to buy the whole property. The next person who buys the property might not be willing to sell. He says they are basically held harmless.
Stoebig asks staff why the money going in the Conservation Fund instead of General Fund. McDonell says that is a political question and not for staff to answer.
deFelice - Asks a question about selling the land. Staff says to look at the map - lot is .5 acre in size, so you can see that yellow cross hatching is the .3 of the acre that would be sold with the house.
DISCUSSION
The chair asks for discussion on the motion as amended.
Stoebig asks why money goes to Conservation Fund even tho already voted on it - wants an explanation. Seems concerned that the Conservation Fund is borrowing.
McDonell says maintenance fund will be from GPR.
Hendrick says that policy is that proceeds form Conservation Fund projects go back into the Conservation Fund, but that he can't speak to specific amendment.
Passes on voice vote - Schlict, DeFelice, Martz, Willett ?? recorded as no. [If you want to know exactly who asked to be noted as voting no, you should probably look at the minutes when they come out.
3. Res. 39, 09-10 - Authorizing Memoranda of Understanding Regarding 2009 Personnel Savings
Schmidt - Urges Supervisors to take a pay cut. She says that even though she is also taking a cut of 16 days in her day job, she is going to take a pay cut.
Passes without further comment, sounded unanimous.
4. Res. 40, 09-10 - Authorizing 2009 Personnel Savings Initiative for Unrepresented Employees
No discussion, passes and sounded unanimous.
J. RESOLUTIONS
1. Res 31, 08-09 - Support State Action on Electronics Recycling (Adopt with Amdt.)
No disccuison, sounded like it passed unanimously.
2. Res 32, 09-10 - Opposing State Landfill and Solid Waste Budget Measures (Adopt with Amdt.)
Schmidt says she is concerned that the reason to raise tipping fees was because out of state garbage is being brought in to Wisconsin because our fees are lower. Torn because she thinks that there is a merit to the reason for raising the fees and she says the issue is deeper than in the resolution.
Ripp says that we pass through whatever fees the State adds. They only accept Dane County waste in their landfill. Big chunk of the fee is City of Madison - will add several hundred thousand dollars to the City's budget. He says this is a bad deal because of how it impacts the taxes of the municipalities.
Willet says it impacts businesses as well. Already received notice that his fees going up. Businesses are struggling to keep people employed and it will just get passed through. State is being greedy and taking it out on the rest of us. [I found it amusing that he also said that his fees were going up likely more than the fees actually costs and sort of complains that another business is taking advantage of the situation.]
Stoebig explains the recycling law of 1990 that created the fund. He says the fund helped pay for recycling programs in municipalities and state programs. At that time it made sense, communities supported recycling, but over the years the legislature looked to tap that fund. Suddenly we had self-supporting programs that went away. He says the increase won't go to recycling but to balance state budget and that is why they introduced this resolution, out of frustration.
deFelice points out that state did promise to pay for 66% and only paying 30% and increasing the fees in the middle of the budget cycle. We cut employee wages tonight in the middle of the budget while already have a hole to fix. State constantly passes on costs to us and we are left holding the bag. Missed some of what he says, but he wants the fees renegotiated.
It passes on a voice vote.
K. ITEMS THAT REQUIRE A TWO-THIRDS MAJORITY FOR PASSING
1. Ord. Amdt. 4, 09-10 - Amending Chapter 54, Regarding Parking Fees at the Alliant Energy Center (Adopt)
2. Ord Amdt 6, 09-10 - Amending Chapter 62, Regarding Fees Charged by the Sheriff for Seizure of Property of Evictions (Adopt with Amdt.)
3. Res. 25, 09-10 - Acceptance of a WI DNR Grant - Survey of Three Floodplain Lakes of the Lower WI River (Adopt)
4. Res 26, 09-10 - Authorizing Acceptance of Funds for Dane County Streambank Easement Program (Adopt)
5. Res 33, 09-10 - Authorizing Acceptance of Grant from teh Nature Conservancy (Adopt)
6. Res 35, 09-10 - Setting Up Accounts to Recieve Donations for the Lyman Anderson Center Woods (Adopt)
7. Res 42, 09-10 - Transferring funds in the Capital Budget for Asbestos Remediation at 501 E Badger Rd. (Adopt)
8. Res 43, 09-10 - Approving a Change Order and Transferring Funds for Installation of a Heat Exchanger to Serve the Public Saftey Communications Center and other First Floor CCB (Adopt)
Item 2 is separated, Gau asks if the revenues on parking at the Alliant Center will go to the general fund or the Alliant Center Operating Fund, staff says Alliant Center.
All items pass unanimously on a voice vote except item 2 that was separated.
2. Ord Amdt 6, 09-10 - Amending Chapter 62, Regarding Fees Charged by the Sheriff for Seizure of Property of Evictions (Adopt with Amdt.)
McDonell steps down as the chair, Hendrick is in the chair.
Ferrell tries to amend the ordinance to say that the fee would be $50.
Hendrick rules him out of order. He says that it is similar to what they discussed at the last meeting. He also explains that McDonell ruled that his own proposal was not similar as $53 is not the same as $40. He asks if Ferrell wants to appeal the ruling of the Chair, Ferrell declines.
Ferrell makes another motion to change the fees to $45. Hendrick asks if someone will second while he consults with corporation council. He rules that motion is also not in order as they discussed various amounts at the last meeting.
Ferrell appeals the ruling of the chair this time. Willett seconds it, if a second is required. Hendrick says challenging the ruling of the chair is non-debatable so they vote.
ROLL CALL
AYE: Vedder, Veldran, Vogel, Wheeler, Bayrd, deFelice, DeSmidt, Downing, Erickson, Hesselbein, Hulsey, Jensen, Kostelic, Levin, Manning, Matano, McDonell, Miles, O'Laughlin, Optiz, Salov, S???, Stoebig, Hendrick
NO: Willett, Ferrell, Gau, Martz, Ripp, Schlict, Solberg, Bruskewitz (originally out of the room)
ABSENT: Stubbs, Wiggy, Hampton, Richmond, Rusk, S???
[Sorry, I missed two votes there.]
Hendrick calls on Wiggy. Laughter erupts. McDonell is sitting in Wiggy's seat as Wiggy is absent. McDonell announces that there will be a two for one special at the bar after the meeting and that it is half price box wine night.
McDonell explains that the basic objection to the ordinance change was that it was mid-year. He said the reason for this change came from statute. He says that there was a concern that we would be raising cost on individuals who would be paying in tough economic times. He says this change just acknowledges what they passed in the budget. He says he hopes he will be remembered as the patron saint of "what is in the budget is in the ordinance" and explains that they need to passed at the same time. He reiterates, this just aligns ordinances with the budget.
Hendrick clarifies that teh PP&J recommendation of $40 per hour is what is before them.
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No further discussion.
ROLL CALL
AYE: Veldran, Vogel, Wheeler, Willett, deSmidt, Downing, Hesselbein, Hulsey, Jensen, Kostelic, Levin, Martz, Miles, O'Laughlin, Opitz, Ripp, Salov, Schmidt, Solberg, Stoebig, McDonell
NO: Vedder, Bayrd, Bruskewitz, deFelice, Erickson, Ferrell, Gau, Manning, Matano, Schlicht, Hendrick
ABSENT: Stubbs, Wiggy, Hampton, Richmond, Rusk
Motion fails, Hendrick explains it requires a 2/3 vote of those elected, not those present.
M. SUCH OTHER BUSINESS AS THE COUNTY BOARD IS AUTHORIZED TO CONDUCT BY LAW
None.
N. ADJOURNMENT
Opitz/Gau passes unanmiously.
KONKEL EXCLUSIVE
[Shoot me now, I sound like the Critical Badger!]
Apparently, there is an amendment to their rules circulating that would prevent the long special matters items in the beginnings of the meetings. It would eliminate memorial resolutions, proclamations and special presentations leaving only presentations by the County Executive and Announcements (limited to 2 minutes). It was sponsored by Hendrick, deFelice and Opitz when I saw it, but there were others signing on.
It is a little crazy that they spend more time on announcements and presentations than they do on actual business.
NOTE: I had some technical problems with my computer so my notes from this meeting were a little sketchy, my apologies in advance for this likely not being my best work.
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A. ROLL CALL - Excuse Supervisors Hampton and Richmond [Announced on the Agenda]
Stubbs, Veldran, Downing, Rusk, Schmidt, Erickson, Wiganowsky all also absent.
Chair McDonell announced 27 present - 10 absent and Hampton, Richmond, Rusk and Wiggy are all excused. [I missed one of the absenses because the County Clerk doesn't repeat the roll call and it is hard to hear who says they are here.]
1. Prayer/Inspirational Message - Supervisor Stubbs (Veldran next)
2. Pledge of Allegiance - Supervisor Veldran
Stubbs not there, so Chair McDonell had them rise and recite the pledge.
B. SPECIAL MATTERS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS
1. Dane County Lakes and Watersheds State of the Waters Presentation
- Sue Jones, Office of Lakes & Watersheds Coordinator
Talks about Take a Stake in the Lakes events and other projects that they worked on in the last year: Turville Bay Research Project to try to get more native plant growth, Aquatic Invasive Species Planning, Municpal Storm Water Partnership including salt use recommendations, myfairlakes.com activities, working on activities in the Memorandum of Understanding with others to clean up the lakes, working plan to deal with nutrients and sediment, etc.
- Dane County Lakes & Watersheds 2009 Waters Champions Recognition
Jones introduced the three individual honorees.
2. Dane County Housing Authority Presentation - Supervisor Bayrd
Kate Nardi from the Dane County Housing Authority share information about foreclosures and what activities they are working on.
- In 2008 there was a 50% increase in foreclosures
- From 2008 to 2009 there was a 39% increase for the first quarter according to information that comes from CCAP (court records) and the UW
- In May of this year foreclosures increased 20% over last year with 650 court filings this year and 543 in 2008
- She explains that the 650 filings don't represent the struggles that the families are facing
- Nardi explained that the Housing Authority is the HUD Approved Housing Counseling Agency, they get HUD funding for their activities.
- In addition to trying to help people in foreclosure, they also try to support people before the foreclosure is filed.
- They serve City and County residents. 60% county, 40% city.
- They also have HCRI funding to help 14 households and FEMA funding to help 15 households if no job which is the 2nd wave of funding.
- They educate people about the legal process, talk to them about alternatives, go to court as advocates as well.
- She talked about local lawyers crafting a local rule for the court system that would require mediation in foreclosure cases.
- She said that they have a Pay for Performance Contract to pay for staff to work on the cases and they are one of the few who respond to a national 800# line.
- Welcomes ideas on how to increase capacity and number of people they can support.
3. Library Board's Plan for Service - Supervisor Martz
Martz & Wheeler came forward, Martz says they all got the plan in their mailboxes. He introduces the President of the Library Board.
- He thanks current and former Library Board Supervisors and introduces Julie Chase who is the Director of Library Services.
- Talks about article in WSJ yesterday by the Historical Society about how libraries used to be run.
- He says service demands are up.
- He highlighted challenges of building a new library in Fitchburg and Cottage Grove and how that would impact the library services county wide.
- Says they are doing well despite challenged.
- Thanks them for continuing to support the 100% funding for municpal reimbursements and the guidelines they adopted.
- He says the 100% reimbursements prevent libraries from having to cut hours.
- He asks them for input.
- Shares he heard from two library directors that they appreciate the comprhensive guidelines.
QUESTIONS
Hendrick says he supports 100% reimbursement, but says it won't be viable to have a stand alone library service in Fitchburg. He characterized the situation as hopeless and asks if that is correct.
Library Board President says they hired consultants a few years ago to try to figure out how to give services county wide if no Dane County library service, he said they had quite a few recommendations but each have pros and cons and there needs to be a public discussion before decisions are made.
4. Res 55,09-10 - Congratulating Ben Brummel for his Division 1 State Championship in Wrestling for Middleton High School
Supervisors from the Middleton School District Ferrell, Opitz & Ripp joined Hesselbein as she read the resolution.
Opitz thanks Hesselbein for writing the resolution and the Coach. Congratulates Ben for academic and athletic accomplishments and his community involvement in the bike and pedestrian plan for the City of Middleton. Quips that he is well equiped to wrestle with issues in the future.
Ben thanked them for the honor and thanks his family, coach, friends and team mates. Good four years and looking forward to college.
5. Res 56, 09-10 - Recognizing Dale Bruhn for his Years of Service to the Community
Matano reads the resolution with a long list of accomplishments. Lynn Green from Dane County Human Services as well as Vedder, DeSmidt, Wheeler and Willett(?) joined him to honor Bruhn's work on the Long Term Care Committee for the county.
Bruhn thanks them for the honor, says its almost overwhelming. Appreciated working on the committee that worked on critical needs for vulnerable populations and appreciates the support the Board has provided for statewide and nationally recognized programs.
Vedder says only known him for a few years, that when he announced he was leaving after 14 years there was agony and tears. His last meeting they had cake and champaign and broke all the rules.
Matano moved approval, Wheeler seconded. It passed on voice vote.
6. Announcements
Salov was recognized, but Jensen talked about the Fair. McDonell asked to make sure there would be Ponies this year, because his daughter was upset last year that they weren't there. Jensen plugged various activities during the fair. Dane County Fairest of the Fair winner also joined him. He explained it was the first ever and will compete in a statewide competition - her job is to promote the county.
Salov said Thursday is Military Appreciation Day and there is free admission and red white and blue ribbons for military and their families. He asks for volunteers from 2:00 on to help hand out the ribbons.
The Dane County Fairest of the Fair winner Molly talked about her role, the entertainment of the fair, what she has learned going to the Fair and invites people to the fair July 15th - 19th and says to look at the Dane County Fair website.
They also Announced the runner up and other contestants.
Downing - said resolution next month in honor of passing away of Linda Farley. Talked about her lifelong work as a physician, that she looked for the special light in everyone, was an activist and had a deep caring for vulnerable and social justice issues. He reminded them that she appeared before the county board on resolution supporting single payer health care and urging state to take action. She was huge advocate for the single payer system and believed that health care is a human right. She said once you realize that, then the only question is how to get people the care they need.
Sheriff - introduce recruiting class. Some are not newest class but newest deputies.
Veldran talked about recent shooting death of the 17 year old student. Says he was at the meeting with the Mayor and others to talk about solutions. He said they talked about police solutions, but also how community could reach out. He said the community had already started a community garden and June 24th they had already planned a farmer's market at the Orchard Ridge Church with 15 vendors. He says this is the grand opening 3:00 - 7:00 and talked about other activities that will be there. Said the farmers market will be on Wedensdays all through the growing season
Veldran also announced he was circulating a letter in light of the PSC decision to grant the ATC power line. He said that the original bill at the state allowed change in rules for condemantion with limited attorney fees which will prevent people from bringing cases. The letter urges reps and senators to reconsider that.
McDonell announed that there was a card circulating for Rusk who's sister passed away.
[That took til 7:55! Now, on to actual business of the board!]
C. APPROVAL OF BILLS & ACCOUNTS
1. Claims Recommended for Approval
They were approved with a few abstentions and at least one vote no on one of the items. But they all passed without discussion.
E. CONSENT CALENDAR
1. Ord Amdt. 3, 09-10 - Amending Chapter 17, Regarding Official Map Revisions Incorporating a Dam Failure Analysis Approved by the WDNR for Across Moen Creek in Steward Park (Adopt)
2. Ord Amdt. 5, 09-10 - Amending Chapter 69, Adjusting Speed Limits on County Highways (Adopt)
3. Res 2, 09-10 - Authorizing Dane County Participation in an Intergovernmental Agreement to Fund a Position for Storm Water Information, Education and Outreach Coordination for the Madison Area Municipal Storm Water Partnership (MAMSWaP) (Adopt)
4. Res 28, 09-10 - Encouraging Dane County Municipalities and Residents to Prevent Phosphorus Runoff into the Counties Lakes and Streams by Proper Disposal of Leaves and Yard Waste (Adopt)
5. Res 37, 09-10 - County Executive Appointments (Adopt)
6. Res 46, 09-10 - Supporting a Wisconsin Payday Lending Consumer Protection Act (Adopt)
7. Res 53, 09-10 - Establishing the Dane County 2010 Census Complete County Committee (Adopt)
8. Res 54, 09-10 - County Executive Appointments (Adopt)
Matano noted that DJ Laurie she graduated from law school and asked for that to be corrected.
Salov noted that the resolution on Payday Lending is important. We have had caps on loans but they are disappearing, loans going to 500 - 600% and should encourage legislators to pass a bill to fix this.
All of the items passed on a voice vote.
G. REPORTS ON ZONING PETITIONS
a. Map of Dane County
b. Summary of Grant as Modified petitions
1. Petition 9982 - Town of Primrose - Theodore White (Grant as Modified)
2. Petition 10049 - Town of Verona - Doerfer Brothers Inc (Grant as Modified)
No registrants, passes on a voice vote.
I. AWARD OF CONTRACTS
1. Res. 7, 09-10 - Award of Contract for New Badger Prairie Health Care Center (Adopt Sub 1.)
2. Res. 29, 09-10 - Authorizing the Purchase of Land at Cam-Rock County Park - Christensen (Adopt/Adopt with Amdt.)
REGISTRANT
One registrant, Finch in opposition. Says he is speaking for himself only. Says udgets are tight, county workers are furloughed and the purchase of the park shouldn't be a priority when people are concerned about losing jobs and homes. He said he has questions about what the impact of the delay would be.
McDonell explains that the public doesn't ask questions that he should ask his questions and they will try to address the questions during debate.
Finch asks if what other costs will be incurred if they purchase the property and how it will be paid for.
QUESTIONS OF REGISTRANTS
Salov asked if he has been monitoring purchases. Finch says no. Salov explained that there are many purchases the county is making (Anderson property and the Mazomanie Park) and suggests he looks at them in context
MOTION
Hendrick moves EANR amendment, Ferrell second. The amendments says that the proceeds from sales of house go to Conservation Fund. Passes voice vote with a few nos.
QUESTIONS OF STAFF
Hulsey - Says he understands that the property will generate rent and taxes. Asks about impact of delay. Staff says purchase contract is in place, seller may not sell if they wait past July. Says the trail is being constructed and it is hard to stop a project when ready to go. She said rent will be $700 per month plus they pay utilities and taxes. Hulsey says it will cover interest on money borrowed to purchase the land. He said they plan on selling property in the future. This helps complete trail and pays for itself.
McDonell asks about the accounts that Personnel & Finance froze.
Staff says Land and Water Legacy Account was frozen and $2.3M of projects won't go forward.
In the Conservation fund they only spent $1M of $7.5M planned.
Ripp explains that staff "low balls" estimates and they might make money on the deal. He said this is the last part to get the trail complete and usually they have to pay more than market rate. He says this is a good deal and the only issues is that they have to buy the whole property. The next person who buys the property might not be willing to sell. He says they are basically held harmless.
Stoebig asks staff why the money going in the Conservation Fund instead of General Fund. McDonell says that is a political question and not for staff to answer.
deFelice - Asks a question about selling the land. Staff says to look at the map - lot is .5 acre in size, so you can see that yellow cross hatching is the .3 of the acre that would be sold with the house.
DISCUSSION
The chair asks for discussion on the motion as amended.
Stoebig asks why money goes to Conservation Fund even tho already voted on it - wants an explanation. Seems concerned that the Conservation Fund is borrowing.
McDonell says maintenance fund will be from GPR.
Hendrick says that policy is that proceeds form Conservation Fund projects go back into the Conservation Fund, but that he can't speak to specific amendment.
Passes on voice vote - Schlict, DeFelice, Martz, Willett ?? recorded as no. [If you want to know exactly who asked to be noted as voting no, you should probably look at the minutes when they come out.
3. Res. 39, 09-10 - Authorizing Memoranda of Understanding Regarding 2009 Personnel Savings
Schmidt - Urges Supervisors to take a pay cut. She says that even though she is also taking a cut of 16 days in her day job, she is going to take a pay cut.
Passes without further comment, sounded unanimous.
4. Res. 40, 09-10 - Authorizing 2009 Personnel Savings Initiative for Unrepresented Employees
No discussion, passes and sounded unanimous.
J. RESOLUTIONS
1. Res 31, 08-09 - Support State Action on Electronics Recycling (Adopt with Amdt.)
No disccuison, sounded like it passed unanimously.
2. Res 32, 09-10 - Opposing State Landfill and Solid Waste Budget Measures (Adopt with Amdt.)
Schmidt says she is concerned that the reason to raise tipping fees was because out of state garbage is being brought in to Wisconsin because our fees are lower. Torn because she thinks that there is a merit to the reason for raising the fees and she says the issue is deeper than in the resolution.
Ripp says that we pass through whatever fees the State adds. They only accept Dane County waste in their landfill. Big chunk of the fee is City of Madison - will add several hundred thousand dollars to the City's budget. He says this is a bad deal because of how it impacts the taxes of the municipalities.
Willet says it impacts businesses as well. Already received notice that his fees going up. Businesses are struggling to keep people employed and it will just get passed through. State is being greedy and taking it out on the rest of us. [I found it amusing that he also said that his fees were going up likely more than the fees actually costs and sort of complains that another business is taking advantage of the situation.]
Stoebig explains the recycling law of 1990 that created the fund. He says the fund helped pay for recycling programs in municipalities and state programs. At that time it made sense, communities supported recycling, but over the years the legislature looked to tap that fund. Suddenly we had self-supporting programs that went away. He says the increase won't go to recycling but to balance state budget and that is why they introduced this resolution, out of frustration.
deFelice points out that state did promise to pay for 66% and only paying 30% and increasing the fees in the middle of the budget cycle. We cut employee wages tonight in the middle of the budget while already have a hole to fix. State constantly passes on costs to us and we are left holding the bag. Missed some of what he says, but he wants the fees renegotiated.
It passes on a voice vote.
K. ITEMS THAT REQUIRE A TWO-THIRDS MAJORITY FOR PASSING
1. Ord. Amdt. 4, 09-10 - Amending Chapter 54, Regarding Parking Fees at the Alliant Energy Center (Adopt)
2. Ord Amdt 6, 09-10 - Amending Chapter 62, Regarding Fees Charged by the Sheriff for Seizure of Property of Evictions (Adopt with Amdt.)
3. Res. 25, 09-10 - Acceptance of a WI DNR Grant - Survey of Three Floodplain Lakes of the Lower WI River (Adopt)
4. Res 26, 09-10 - Authorizing Acceptance of Funds for Dane County Streambank Easement Program (Adopt)
5. Res 33, 09-10 - Authorizing Acceptance of Grant from teh Nature Conservancy (Adopt)
6. Res 35, 09-10 - Setting Up Accounts to Recieve Donations for the Lyman Anderson Center Woods (Adopt)
7. Res 42, 09-10 - Transferring funds in the Capital Budget for Asbestos Remediation at 501 E Badger Rd. (Adopt)
8. Res 43, 09-10 - Approving a Change Order and Transferring Funds for Installation of a Heat Exchanger to Serve the Public Saftey Communications Center and other First Floor CCB (Adopt)
Item 2 is separated, Gau asks if the revenues on parking at the Alliant Center will go to the general fund or the Alliant Center Operating Fund, staff says Alliant Center.
All items pass unanimously on a voice vote except item 2 that was separated.
2. Ord Amdt 6, 09-10 - Amending Chapter 62, Regarding Fees Charged by the Sheriff for Seizure of Property of Evictions (Adopt with Amdt.)
McDonell steps down as the chair, Hendrick is in the chair.
Ferrell tries to amend the ordinance to say that the fee would be $50.
Hendrick rules him out of order. He says that it is similar to what they discussed at the last meeting. He also explains that McDonell ruled that his own proposal was not similar as $53 is not the same as $40. He asks if Ferrell wants to appeal the ruling of the Chair, Ferrell declines.
Ferrell makes another motion to change the fees to $45. Hendrick asks if someone will second while he consults with corporation council. He rules that motion is also not in order as they discussed various amounts at the last meeting.
Ferrell appeals the ruling of the chair this time. Willett seconds it, if a second is required. Hendrick says challenging the ruling of the chair is non-debatable so they vote.
ROLL CALL
AYE: Vedder, Veldran, Vogel, Wheeler, Bayrd, deFelice, DeSmidt, Downing, Erickson, Hesselbein, Hulsey, Jensen, Kostelic, Levin, Manning, Matano, McDonell, Miles, O'Laughlin, Optiz, Salov, S???, Stoebig, Hendrick
NO: Willett, Ferrell, Gau, Martz, Ripp, Schlict, Solberg, Bruskewitz (originally out of the room)
ABSENT: Stubbs, Wiggy, Hampton, Richmond, Rusk, S???
[Sorry, I missed two votes there.]
Hendrick calls on Wiggy. Laughter erupts. McDonell is sitting in Wiggy's seat as Wiggy is absent. McDonell announces that there will be a two for one special at the bar after the meeting and that it is half price box wine night.
McDonell explains that the basic objection to the ordinance change was that it was mid-year. He said the reason for this change came from statute. He says that there was a concern that we would be raising cost on individuals who would be paying in tough economic times. He says this change just acknowledges what they passed in the budget. He says he hopes he will be remembered as the patron saint of "what is in the budget is in the ordinance" and explains that they need to passed at the same time. He reiterates, this just aligns ordinances with the budget.
Hendrick clarifies that teh PP&J recommendation of $40 per hour is what is before them.
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No further discussion.
ROLL CALL
AYE: Veldran, Vogel, Wheeler, Willett, deSmidt, Downing, Hesselbein, Hulsey, Jensen, Kostelic, Levin, Martz, Miles, O'Laughlin, Opitz, Ripp, Salov, Schmidt, Solberg, Stoebig, McDonell
NO: Vedder, Bayrd, Bruskewitz, deFelice, Erickson, Ferrell, Gau, Manning, Matano, Schlicht, Hendrick
ABSENT: Stubbs, Wiggy, Hampton, Richmond, Rusk
Motion fails, Hendrick explains it requires a 2/3 vote of those elected, not those present.
M. SUCH OTHER BUSINESS AS THE COUNTY BOARD IS AUTHORIZED TO CONDUCT BY LAW
None.
N. ADJOURNMENT
Opitz/Gau passes unanmiously.
KONKEL EXCLUSIVE
[Shoot me now, I sound like the Critical Badger!]
Apparently, there is an amendment to their rules circulating that would prevent the long special matters items in the beginnings of the meetings. It would eliminate memorial resolutions, proclamations and special presentations leaving only presentations by the County Executive and Announcements (limited to 2 minutes). It was sponsored by Hendrick, deFelice and Opitz when I saw it, but there were others signing on.
It is a little crazy that they spend more time on announcements and presentations than they do on actual business.
NOTE: I had some technical problems with my computer so my notes from this meeting were a little sketchy, my apologies in advance for this likely not being my best work.
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Thursday, June 18, 2009
Westside Crime: In Search of Solutions
So, people have weighed in through several newspaper articles, the Mayor sends staff off to work on various tasks, some emails to alders are sent, and Blaska weighs in on his blog about what might be solution to Westside crime. Forward our Motto beat me to it in the Blaska underwear critique, but all this talk makes me think that there are some things missing or some of the solutions miss the point, so here's my additions and suggestions:
NEIGHBORHOOD SUGGESTIONS
From the Wisconsin State Journal article on residents calls for action
Thumbs Down: Stereotypes and blaming. More police.
The key to the brainstorming efforts is making sure that everyone feels included, that their ideas are equally considered and do not feel like they are being targeted by others suggestions. It can be done, but I haven't seen it done well in Madison.
Calling people freeloaders isn't helping.
With the "more police" I support it if they mean police should focus their efforts on crime in the area, implement meaningful neighborhood/community policing practices and use their resources wisely. I don't support it if it is a blanket call for 30 more police officers. This isn't about the number of police we have, its about what they do.
MAYOR'S SUGGESTIONS
Also from the Wisconsin State Journal article on residents calls for action:
Thumb's Down: Having the solution process be an internal staff process and not including the community or Council in the discussions of the solutions.
If Nobel Wray creates a task force on gun violence, the meetings are unlikely to be publicly noticed. And the Clingan/Nunez/Hank proposals should be discussed by the committees that they staff (Community Development Block Grant Commission, Community Services Commission, Senior Advisory Commission, Early Childhood and Education Board, Affirmative Action, Equal Opportunities Commission, Housing Committee). We should use this opportunity to create a true community dialog instead of hatching plans in private.
BLASKA'S SUGGESTIONS
Thumbs Up: "Police Surge", train neighbors on safety precautions, promote positive values, supporting libraries and schools, enforce current ordinances, neighborhood clean ups, safe schools.
Thumbs Down: Appoint Pham-Remmele to the Public Safety Review Board and Community Development Block Grant Commission, Stronger Curfew laws, renew and aggressive use Chronic Nuisance Ordinance, train neighbors to physically intervene, politicalization of victimization language, mandating specific books to be read, criminalizing free speech and underwear, violating fair wage laws, repealing fair housing laws, attacking immigration status and denying people housing based on it, month-to-month leases for people on probation and parole, Mayor moving to Meadowood.
This'll take some explanation. On the thumbs up, I may not support what Blaska would like to see per se, but I do support neighborhood/community policing, safe schools, promoting positive values via Florenzo's efforts, funding our libraries and schools adequately so books are available and neighborhood pride and community building activities like neighborhood clean ups or whatever other activities the neighborhood residents might like to see (job fairs, health service fairs, etc.)
On the thumbs down, the brief story is this:
1. Appoint Pham-Remmele to the Public Safety Review Board and Community Development Block Grant Commission. Appointing one alder to any committee rarely does anything, unless they know how to get things done and have the time and energy to fight the bureaucracy (the entity, not the people in it) to get it done. Pham-Remmele hasn't demonstrated those skills - all she does is whine/complain and tell others what they should do, without helpful suggestions about how to address the issues she is concerned about. I have yet to see any constructive solutions, an outlined plan or a proposal to address the issues she complains about in the press. Additionally, the Public Safety Review Board has been emasculated, we should give them some real authority and include them in the policing studies, budgeting and management of the police department.
2. Stronger Curfew laws. Criminalizing kids doesn't make sense. Enforce the laws on the books and the criminals will get caught, and kids being kids will not be punished for being somewhere at a certain time. This also goes back to enhancing out community efforts.
3. Renew and aggressive use Chronic Nuisance Ordinance. I'm ok with this, if the tenant protections are in place and the recommendations of the Equal Opportunity are considered and adopted. They were first completely blown off and they adopted the ordinance before the EOC considered it and then 1.5 years later when the recommendations made it to council, they essentially refused to consider them because the sunset of the ordinance was coming up.
4. Train neighbors to physically intervene. Wow. Talk about increasing violence, putting innocent people at unnecessary risk and being completely irresponsible and exposing the City to liability. This is an insane suggestion.
5. Politicalization of victimization language. See Forward Our Motto.
6. Mandating specific books to be read. I say, let the teachers do their jobs and determine how their students will best learn. Of course, we also need to adequately fund the schools as well.
7. Criminalizing free speech and underwear. See Forward Our Motto.
8. Violating fair wage laws. $3/hour? How about funding youth job programs instead to teach kids job skills.
9. Repealing fair housing laws. Just because someone gets Section 8 does not mean they are causing troubles in the neighborhood. In fact, half the households are elderly or disabled. Instead, we should have mandate landlords get training in appropriate screening practices and license them if we have to.
10. Attacking immigration status and denying people housing based on it. Immigrants are productive members of our community who are doing jobs, paying taxes and being good community members. Denying them housing will just lead to overcrowding and violations of leases in other areas of town. This is just short-sided and the unintended consequences will just create additional problems. Plus, its probably a disparate impact violation of local, state and federal Fair Housing Laws that will just keep our taxpayer funded attorneys tied up.
11. Month-to-month leases for people on probation and parole. This one is just silly because these are the people who least need to have month to month leases. If they do something wrong, their back in jail. Month to month leases should be used for tenants that don't meet all of the screening criteria of the landlord but have financial issues only but are likely to pay or have taken steps to rectify past behavior issues. I think this gets back to mandatory landlord training.
12. Mayor moving to Meadowood. You know, we were challenged several years ago to do this at Allied Drive, Todd Jarrell and Tom Powell joined me a few nights and I stayed out there by myself a few nights as well. I'm not sure what that was supposed to prove an it didn't really teach me anything. I think this one is a waste of time and a cheap political stunt.
Finally, Blaska started out his action plan by saying that human services were important too, but I didn't see any of his solutions dealing with that. His agenda is a "punish them" instead of getting to the root of the problems and figuring out how to change behaviors and support people in a positive way.
WHAT'S MISSING/MY SUGGESTIONS
1. The city should support efforts of Rev. David Smith and Florenzo Cribbs.
2. The city should help make sure that the Horinek brainstorming sessions are inclusive and respectful.
3. Focus policing on community and neighborhood policing efforts, more neighborhood officers and partnerships with the community.
4. Use the 30 new police officers for patrol, instead of 12, or whatever number it ended up being. I think that was the final number, but the police presentation on this was very confusing.
5. Create some sort of community dialog, education or discussion to address the "hater" mentality of many who just want to blame "freeloaders".
6. Use the city committees we have to make recommendations that the Mayor will consider.
7. Include the council in the Mayor's recommendation process instead of having it be a budget message announcement.
8. Empower the Public Safety Review Board to play a larger role in guiding the police department and having community dialogs about policing and how our police resources are used.
9. Empower the Public Safety Review Board to have some actual authority.
10. Adequately fund libraries so they can be open more hours and provide more services to the community.
11. Adequately fund schools.
12. Support neighborhood and community building activities by adopting a workable funding mechanism and allowing the neighborhoods to determine what activities are appropriate and have a streamlined funding mechanism. (i.e. Fix the Emerging Neighborhoods Fund and fund it adequately.)
13. Adopt Equal Opportunities Commission changes to the Chronic Nuisance Ordinance or let it sunset.
14. Beefed up funding of youth job programs.
15. Mandatory landlord training.
16. Landlord licensing.
17. Adequately fund Joining Forces for Families.
18. Adequately fund housing case managers.
19. Create affordable rental housing in the city that is well managed by providing operating expenses so services can be available.
20. Get serious about career ladder job development instead of high end biotech jobs when we support economic development.
I could go on about adequate funding for the District Attorney's office, adequate funding of County Human Services and City of Madison Community Services activities, economic development, funding our schools, the landlords role in all of this and criminalization of activities . . . but I'll stop here. This is just a list of things I thought of in the last hour and I'm sure there are many more answers and suggestions and I hope that all are considered and that the final package of solutions is an equal balance between services and community policing efforts.
p.s. I make it a practice not to respond to Blaska's blather . . . but this time, he actually had concrete suggestions and although I don't agree with them all, I appreciate the effort to be relatively constructive in adding to the conversation instead of spewing political crap.
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NEIGHBORHOOD SUGGESTIONS
From the Wisconsin State Journal article on residents calls for action
Ernie and Joan Horinek, who own apartment buildings near the site of the fatal shooting last week, are organizing tenants, landlords and homeowners to brainstorm ways to change a troubled street, Balsam Road, in the Meadowood neighborhood.and
Florenzo Cribbs, the new president of the Allied Drive Neighborhood Association, is reaching out to leaders in other neighborhoods with a message of personal accountability, cooperation and community involvement.
And the Rev. David Smith of Faith Community Christian Church is trying to get churches and schools to help give kids more options to keep them off the streets.
Other residents and business owners in Madison and Fitchburg demanded more police and city services — and taking a stand against trouble-makers.Thumbs Up: My favorite is Rev. David Smith's efforts. A very close second is Florenzo Cribbs solutions. I even support the landlord's efforts to have brainstorming sessions, but have a few concerns. And I think I support more city services, depending upon what that means, hopefully it means building inspection enforcement (inside and out), supporting inclusive community center programming and after school activities.
“As a community, we facilitate freeloaders and bad lifestyles,” said Dennis Lochner, who owns a hardware store in the Meadowood Shopping Center on Raymond Road.
Thumbs Down: Stereotypes and blaming. More police.
The key to the brainstorming efforts is making sure that everyone feels included, that their ideas are equally considered and do not feel like they are being targeted by others suggestions. It can be done, but I haven't seen it done well in Madison.
Calling people freeloaders isn't helping.
With the "more police" I support it if they mean police should focus their efforts on crime in the area, implement meaningful neighborhood/community policing practices and use their resources wisely. I don't support it if it is a blanket call for 30 more police officers. This isn't about the number of police we have, its about what they do.
MAYOR'S SUGGESTIONS
Also from the Wisconsin State Journal article on residents calls for action:
The mayor asked Madison Police Chief Noble Wray to create a task force on gun violence. He also urged Community Development Director Bill Clingan, Department of Civil Rights Director Lucia Nunez, and Neighborhood Preservation and Inspection Division Director George Hank to bring proposals on what the city can do.Thumb's Up: Looking for solutions
Thumb's Down: Having the solution process be an internal staff process and not including the community or Council in the discussions of the solutions.
If Nobel Wray creates a task force on gun violence, the meetings are unlikely to be publicly noticed. And the Clingan/Nunez/Hank proposals should be discussed by the committees that they staff (Community Development Block Grant Commission, Community Services Commission, Senior Advisory Commission, Early Childhood and Education Board, Affirmative Action, Equal Opportunities Commission, Housing Committee). We should use this opportunity to create a true community dialog instead of hatching plans in private.
BLASKA'S SUGGESTIONS
Thumbs Up: "Police Surge", train neighbors on safety precautions, promote positive values, supporting libraries and schools, enforce current ordinances, neighborhood clean ups, safe schools.
Thumbs Down: Appoint Pham-Remmele to the Public Safety Review Board and Community Development Block Grant Commission, Stronger Curfew laws, renew and aggressive use Chronic Nuisance Ordinance, train neighbors to physically intervene, politicalization of victimization language, mandating specific books to be read, criminalizing free speech and underwear, violating fair wage laws, repealing fair housing laws, attacking immigration status and denying people housing based on it, month-to-month leases for people on probation and parole, Mayor moving to Meadowood.
This'll take some explanation. On the thumbs up, I may not support what Blaska would like to see per se, but I do support neighborhood/community policing, safe schools, promoting positive values via Florenzo's efforts, funding our libraries and schools adequately so books are available and neighborhood pride and community building activities like neighborhood clean ups or whatever other activities the neighborhood residents might like to see (job fairs, health service fairs, etc.)
On the thumbs down, the brief story is this:
1. Appoint Pham-Remmele to the Public Safety Review Board and Community Development Block Grant Commission. Appointing one alder to any committee rarely does anything, unless they know how to get things done and have the time and energy to fight the bureaucracy (the entity, not the people in it) to get it done. Pham-Remmele hasn't demonstrated those skills - all she does is whine/complain and tell others what they should do, without helpful suggestions about how to address the issues she is concerned about. I have yet to see any constructive solutions, an outlined plan or a proposal to address the issues she complains about in the press. Additionally, the Public Safety Review Board has been emasculated, we should give them some real authority and include them in the policing studies, budgeting and management of the police department.
2. Stronger Curfew laws. Criminalizing kids doesn't make sense. Enforce the laws on the books and the criminals will get caught, and kids being kids will not be punished for being somewhere at a certain time. This also goes back to enhancing out community efforts.
3. Renew and aggressive use Chronic Nuisance Ordinance. I'm ok with this, if the tenant protections are in place and the recommendations of the Equal Opportunity are considered and adopted. They were first completely blown off and they adopted the ordinance before the EOC considered it and then 1.5 years later when the recommendations made it to council, they essentially refused to consider them because the sunset of the ordinance was coming up.
4. Train neighbors to physically intervene. Wow. Talk about increasing violence, putting innocent people at unnecessary risk and being completely irresponsible and exposing the City to liability. This is an insane suggestion.
5. Politicalization of victimization language. See Forward Our Motto.
6. Mandating specific books to be read. I say, let the teachers do their jobs and determine how their students will best learn. Of course, we also need to adequately fund the schools as well.
7. Criminalizing free speech and underwear. See Forward Our Motto.
8. Violating fair wage laws. $3/hour? How about funding youth job programs instead to teach kids job skills.
9. Repealing fair housing laws. Just because someone gets Section 8 does not mean they are causing troubles in the neighborhood. In fact, half the households are elderly or disabled. Instead, we should have mandate landlords get training in appropriate screening practices and license them if we have to.
10. Attacking immigration status and denying people housing based on it. Immigrants are productive members of our community who are doing jobs, paying taxes and being good community members. Denying them housing will just lead to overcrowding and violations of leases in other areas of town. This is just short-sided and the unintended consequences will just create additional problems. Plus, its probably a disparate impact violation of local, state and federal Fair Housing Laws that will just keep our taxpayer funded attorneys tied up.
11. Month-to-month leases for people on probation and parole. This one is just silly because these are the people who least need to have month to month leases. If they do something wrong, their back in jail. Month to month leases should be used for tenants that don't meet all of the screening criteria of the landlord but have financial issues only but are likely to pay or have taken steps to rectify past behavior issues. I think this gets back to mandatory landlord training.
12. Mayor moving to Meadowood. You know, we were challenged several years ago to do this at Allied Drive, Todd Jarrell and Tom Powell joined me a few nights and I stayed out there by myself a few nights as well. I'm not sure what that was supposed to prove an it didn't really teach me anything. I think this one is a waste of time and a cheap political stunt.
Finally, Blaska started out his action plan by saying that human services were important too, but I didn't see any of his solutions dealing with that. His agenda is a "punish them" instead of getting to the root of the problems and figuring out how to change behaviors and support people in a positive way.
WHAT'S MISSING/MY SUGGESTIONS
1. The city should support efforts of Rev. David Smith and Florenzo Cribbs.
2. The city should help make sure that the Horinek brainstorming sessions are inclusive and respectful.
3. Focus policing on community and neighborhood policing efforts, more neighborhood officers and partnerships with the community.
4. Use the 30 new police officers for patrol, instead of 12, or whatever number it ended up being. I think that was the final number, but the police presentation on this was very confusing.
5. Create some sort of community dialog, education or discussion to address the "hater" mentality of many who just want to blame "freeloaders".
6. Use the city committees we have to make recommendations that the Mayor will consider.
7. Include the council in the Mayor's recommendation process instead of having it be a budget message announcement.
8. Empower the Public Safety Review Board to play a larger role in guiding the police department and having community dialogs about policing and how our police resources are used.
9. Empower the Public Safety Review Board to have some actual authority.
10. Adequately fund libraries so they can be open more hours and provide more services to the community.
11. Adequately fund schools.
12. Support neighborhood and community building activities by adopting a workable funding mechanism and allowing the neighborhoods to determine what activities are appropriate and have a streamlined funding mechanism. (i.e. Fix the Emerging Neighborhoods Fund and fund it adequately.)
13. Adopt Equal Opportunities Commission changes to the Chronic Nuisance Ordinance or let it sunset.
14. Beefed up funding of youth job programs.
15. Mandatory landlord training.
16. Landlord licensing.
17. Adequately fund Joining Forces for Families.
18. Adequately fund housing case managers.
19. Create affordable rental housing in the city that is well managed by providing operating expenses so services can be available.
20. Get serious about career ladder job development instead of high end biotech jobs when we support economic development.
I could go on about adequate funding for the District Attorney's office, adequate funding of County Human Services and City of Madison Community Services activities, economic development, funding our schools, the landlords role in all of this and criminalization of activities . . . but I'll stop here. This is just a list of things I thought of in the last hour and I'm sure there are many more answers and suggestions and I hope that all are considered and that the final package of solutions is an equal balance between services and community policing efforts.
p.s. I make it a practice not to respond to Blaska's blather . . . but this time, he actually had concrete suggestions and although I don't agree with them all, I appreciate the effort to be relatively constructive in adding to the conversation instead of spewing political crap.
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Property Tax Exemption Saga Continues
On to conference committee at the state . . .
So, at this point, the Senate restored the Joint Finance Committee language and slightly modified it. Student housing got an exemption, elderly housing got an exemption except it looks like the more expensive housing will not and they redefined what too expensive means, and the low-income housing exemption has all the same problems for Madison (and the rest of the state) previously discussed:
I guess, its better than no exemption for all, but that's some interesting priorities. Pres House and seniors get their exemption but mixed use low-income housing does not and neither does non-profits that rent to non-profits. What this law does, as is, is:
- encourage projects that are 100% low income housing
- discourage use of HOME funds which is one of our major federal sources of low-income housing funding
- discourage formation of larger non-profit low-income housing providers and keeps fragmented, higher administrative cost smaller non-profits
- creates more work for the non-profits, and
- discourages non-profits collaborations by purchasing buildings and collaborating on administrative costs.
It all seems so ridiculous. It makes being a non-profit even more difficult in Wisconsin and ultimately, probably just helps waste your tax dollars as the administrative costs for running non-profits continue to rise. This law is short-sighted and will need further tweaks in the future and will put this issue back on the plate of the common council as more non-profits go to court over these provisions.
Now, the conference committee will wrangle over the Assembly version (no exemption for anyone) and the Senate version (described above). And ultimately, we need the Governor not to veto any solution they come up with, like he did last time.
It ain't over, til its over.
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So, at this point, the Senate restored the Joint Finance Committee language and slightly modified it. Student housing got an exemption, elderly housing got an exemption except it looks like the more expensive housing will not and they redefined what too expensive means, and the low-income housing exemption has all the same problems for Madison (and the rest of the state) previously discussed:
- Some non-profits will bump up against the 30 acre rule, if not now, soon.and non-profits that rent to non-profits will have to pay taxes.
- In mixed income projects, market rate units will be taxed.
- Projects are exempt if they are for people at 60% AMI, versus 80% which means units funded with HOME dollars will be impacted.
- Additional reporting requirements
I guess, its better than no exemption for all, but that's some interesting priorities. Pres House and seniors get their exemption but mixed use low-income housing does not and neither does non-profits that rent to non-profits. What this law does, as is, is:
- encourage projects that are 100% low income housing
- discourage use of HOME funds which is one of our major federal sources of low-income housing funding
- discourage formation of larger non-profit low-income housing providers and keeps fragmented, higher administrative cost smaller non-profits
- creates more work for the non-profits, and
- discourages non-profits collaborations by purchasing buildings and collaborating on administrative costs.
It all seems so ridiculous. It makes being a non-profit even more difficult in Wisconsin and ultimately, probably just helps waste your tax dollars as the administrative costs for running non-profits continue to rise. This law is short-sighted and will need further tweaks in the future and will put this issue back on the plate of the common council as more non-profits go to court over these provisions.
Now, the conference committee will wrangle over the Assembly version (no exemption for anyone) and the Senate version (described above). And ultimately, we need the Governor not to veto any solution they come up with, like he did last time.
It ain't over, til its over.
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Classes for Job Seekers
I think more jobs in our community is the real solution, but some might find this useful.
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Madison Public Library, Madison Senior Center, and the UW-Madison Writing Center Offer Assistance for Job Seekers
Beginning June 25th, Madison Public Library, the Madison Senior Center and the UW-Madison Writing Center will be offering bi-weekly workshops for job seekers at the Central Library (201 W. Mifflin St., 266-6350).
Trained personnel from the Library, the Writing Center, and the Senior Center will help interested individuals write resumes and cover letters, use credible job search web sites, apply for jobs online, and establish free, web-based email accounts for job search contacts. Job seekers will have one-on-one session devoted to their particular needs.
Sessions will be offered on Monday and Thursday afternoons, 1 – 4 p.m. through mid-August. Reduced hours may be available through November. Interested job seekers may register for half-hour training sessions by calling 266-6350. Drop-ins are welcome and will be accommodated on a first-come, first-served basis.
These sessions are funded in part by a Library Services and Technology Act Grand through the South Central Library System and with support from the Madison Senior Center Program funds.
For more information, visit here.
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Wednesday, June 17, 2009
Tocora Bike Path - Aka Pham Remmele Circus
I've never seen anything like this before, and I've been watching Council meetings since the mid-1990s. And I'm sure, I can't do this justice.
#40 - TOCORA BIKE LANE
TESTIMONY BY REGISTRANTS
3 people spoke against and gave the following reasons for their opposition. They said there is no need, its a path through green space they want preserved, Research Park promised a buffer zone, there are already bike lanes in the area down Tokay, already bike paths into the park, Tokay being resurfaced at the moment and since it is a bike route they should put the lanes there, they say Research Park should pay for it, they said it was a safety issue, that neighbors signed petition, immediate neighbor says its a safety issue because it will increase traffic that will produce litter, it will attract dogs and the things they leave behind, that there have been cars congregating in the parking lots already and that they are concerned about future illegal behavior. One neighbor wants a fence built.
3 people spoke in support and reasons cited for support include that it is needed, people who work in Research Park (at least 7 people in one building) want it, one person shoveled a path for 5 years in the winter and people are already using it, bikes shouldn't ride on sidewalks because bike are too fast and not compatible with pedestrians, when no designated route people do cut across the yard and cause other problems, this is consistent with city plans, its hard to get to UW Research Park, they say it is a safety issue, no good bike route, especially at night when going east. You can't just simply go around and alternative options include going the wrong way on Tokay or using Whitney Way (6 lanes, no bike lane), cut through parking lot where drivers are not looking for bikes, ride on sidewalk, bike across a greenway if not muddy or snowy and have a bike that can handle terrain. They say this will prevent people from driving, doesn't cost that much compared to what we spend on large projects in the city and its good economic development because these amenities to bike and walk to work are good to attract businesses. Midvale Heights Community Association is in support and they read letter they submitted in support.
[Note, there were 3 in favor, 3 against. 50/50 support and opposition.]
QUESTIONS OF REGISTRANTS
Kerr asked Community Association representative if this was in their area. She confirmed it is.
[And now, the fun begins, just so you know, this next diatribe goes on for over 40 minutes according to folks who timed it . . . ]
Pham-Remmele asks Denise Lamb, President of the neighborhood association about the letter she read and if she is president. Um, yes, she is. She asks how long she lived there, Lamb says 7 years. Pham-Remmele asks how many people are members of the group. Lamb says there are approximately 1700 households in neighborhood and about 3 -4K people, but 600 - 700 households or 1400 people are members of the group. Pham-Remmele asks he why she doesn't have exact numbers. Lamb explains the treasurer has those records but they are not here. Pham-Remmele points out it is part of the neighborhood plan, Lamb explains that Midvale Heights and Westmoorland are doing a joint neighborhood plan and that they are working on better access from neighborhood to Research Park and Westgate shopping center. Pham Remmele confirms that the plan hasn't been approved. Lamb agrees.
Pham-Remmele asks Mr. Lincoln about the petition. He says he walked the neighborhood. Pham-Remmele clarifies that the signatures are from "real people" living there. He says there are 50 plus signatures from "real people" and they want to preserve the buffer zone. She asks him again to verify that these are real people because she says she cannot read the signatures. He offers to print the names from the petition for her. He explains again that he went door to door and talked to people. He says the survey was conducted 2 months ago. Pham-Remmele asks him if he knocked on a specific door of a 90 year old lady. He says he knocked on every door, not every one answered. She asks about another person who opposed and he says that they have several elderly in their neighborhood but he doesn't know if he talked to a specific person. [I don't think anyone doubted this guy and I have no idea why she was grilling him about the petition. And apparently, she had asked the same question about the elderly lady at the Board of Public Works and he gave the same answers. This is the same tactic she used when questioning another person who circulated a petition. I can't tell why she is doing it except to point out that she got phone calls from people in her district and she wants the council to know that? Her questions just didn't seem to have a point and didn't make a difference to any of the alders, as they had no reason and no one alledged that there was anything wrong with the petition.]
Pham-Remmele asks Mrs. Lincoln about the covenant. Lincoln explains there is a 100 foot buffer zone. Pham-Remmele asks if she has the paper. Lincoln says she assumes that the Council would have that. Lincoln explained she has cancer and she is staying at home often and that she hasn't seen anyone wanting to use the bike path. Pham-Remmele asks if she has interaction with employees or staff of UW Research Park. Lincoln says she knows 15 people who work there, and the ones that she has contact has not been positive. Lincoln says she chases them out of her yard and that they pick her flowers and they create excessive noise. Lincoln talked about a stolen bike in the neighborhood and said she just let it lay there cuz she didn't want to call the police. [I think her point was that if people don't respect her property, she won't respect theirs.] She also talks about the noise created by the fans on the buildings at Research Park needing to be quieter. [Somehow, I'm having a hard time thinking about the people who work at University Research Park as noise making hooligans running around the neighborhood and making people feel unsafe.]
Pham-Remmele asks "Mr. Cieslewicz" [she purposefully mispronounces his name and doesn't call him Mayor, which she often does. She used to address him differently, the mispronunciation and lack of using his title is new.] what the procedure is. Says she doesn't know the procedure but she wants to ask questions of staff. [Seriously, after being on the council for two years, she doesn't understand the procedure? She was a Fulbright scholar, right?]
There are no other questions for registrants, so the Mayor allows her to ask questions of staff.
QUESTIONS OF STAFF
Pham-Remmele says this is a new issue to her [NEW? As of when?], and she doesn't have the history, so she asks what a plat restriction is. Tony Fernandez from City Engineering explains that the covenant is between the developer and the future users of the property. [The future users of University Park, not the neighbors of University Park.] Fernandez says a bike path in a landscaped zone is not unusual. He says that there will need to be an exception to the covenant for the bike path. Fernandez clarifies that it is an agreement between the Research Park and the new owners in the park that would buy parcels, not with the neighborhood or adjacent property owners.
Pham-Remmele asks who can change the restriction and staff explains that Research Park and the future owners of the parcels can make the change. Staff says the UW needs to make two changes to make the bike path happen, the Research Park will provide the easement to the city to build the path, but is in support. Second they need to amend the covenant and the restriction on the plat will need to be lifted. Since the city required the restriction in the 80's to prevent a street, there should be no problem lifting the restriction on the plat. Fernandez explains that the restriction was there to prevent a road from being built and cars driving on it. He says since then state law changed and that now bikes are considered vehicles which was not the intent of the original restriction and that the city would like it to be restricted to cars. He says the new plat restriction would limit the restriction to "motor vehicles".
Pham-Remmele asked why the restriction was originally requested [Pay attention, he just explained!] So he explains again.
Pham-Remmele asks if the 3rd parties have any rights in the convenant. Engineering staff is struggling to understand her likely because they have already explained. Mayor says it is a question for attorney not engineer. Pham-Remmele says she doesn't understand who to ask [again, after two years??] Roger Allen is sitting in for the City Attorney and explains that that the two parties can change the agreement and while the interests of third parties might be impacted and even tho they benefitted, they don't have any rights to enforce the covenant because they aren't parties to the agreement. [Seems pretty basic and seems to be what Fernandez explained earlier] Allen or the Mayor even remark that in this case the engineers and lawyers agree. Pham-Remmele says that clears that up for her. [But, apparently, it doesn't, because she asks the same question again!]
Pham-Remmele asks again about the covenant that can be unilaterally changed by one party. Allen again explains that both parties to the covenant have to agree.
Pham-Remmele asks if she should put "her dirty hand" in there to change the agreement. She rambles and I have no idea what she says. She repeats herself. Urges people to just vote. [But she goes on!]
Pham-Remmele asks if they are violating any laws and if they are "doing the right thing". City attorney explains that there are no violations of the law. He says it is a policy decision about if they are "doing the right thing".
Pham-Remmele seems confused and states/asks how doing the legal thing is not the right thing. [Silence, so she goes on.]
Pham-Remmele asks about if there are any restrictions on plat to keep it green space. Staff explain the only restriction on the plat is about the vehicular traffic. She asks again about the buffer zone and asks if University Research Park could just build in the buffer zone if they wanted. Fernandez says he thinks so, but he isn't an attorney. So Allen agrees.
Pham-Remmele jumps back in and asks if the covenant can be changed, why would they enter it in the first place. Allen goes back and describes the planning process to Pham-Remmele and the checks and balances that are in place. He explains the difference between a covenant and a plat restriction. He explains that covenants are private law, not a matter for the council.
[At this point many alders are out of the seats, talking to each other, making jokes, including some suggesting that she should, in her own words, "Quit hogging the microphone"]
Pham-Remmele has gone into discussion instead of asking staff questions and is rambling about history, and tries to get the answer she wants. She tries to compare this buffer zone covenant to the peace treaties with the Native Americans. And asks Allen to opine. Allen says he could talk all night about the atrocities that Native Americans have suffered but they were a direct party to the contract, and the neighbors here are not. [It was beautifully delivered, I wish I had captured it better.]
Pham-Remmele says she inherited this issue and she asks if this is the first opposition to this bike path. Fernandez says can't speak authoritatively, says that this project was not proposed in the last 9 years he was here, has heard that neighborhood folks have raised that issue, but he is not aware of any similar proposals in the past.
Pham-Remmele asks if anyone one here older than Mr. Fernandez? [How does one respond to that? Mayor makes some jokes to lighten the growing tension in the room and let the staff off the hook. The staff must have been very uncomfortable by this point, trying to answer questions that largely were answered or made no sense.]
Pham-Remmele says that she was told that this was rejected and rejected again and that it started when Bauman was in office. And Bauman did not support it then because controversial. She asks anyone here to "please have mercy on me". [At this point, council has completely lost all decorum, and despite my post yesterday, I don't blame them one bit. At least 4 or 5 have been standing in the back of the room joking with the reporters and pointing out how inappropriate this is. And slowly . . . people are disappearing from the room. I think they leave to go to the restroom and just don't come back.]
As Pham-Remmele is asking for mercy, the people in opposition are visibly anxious to answer her questions.
BACK TO QUESTIONS OF REGISTRANTS
Mayor suggests that someone from the neighborhood try to answer the history question. Lamb says that Bauman surveyed people in the neighborhood and 60% supported, 32% opposed and they didn't move forward. [People are just laughing out loud now, barely concealing their frustration and openly joking about how bad this all is. 5 or 6 alders are wandering around the room, probably afraid to be caught on camera. As Lamb is explaining the survey, Pham-Remmele exclaims "Bauman was an Alder?". And the room is just nutty at this point.] Mrs. Lincoln also comes up to the mic and explains that 60% were against it and that she lived there when the survey was done. [I suspect she said more, but at this point, it was very hard to pay attention with all the stuff going on in the room. At this point, I was losing my ability to focus.]
BACK TO QUESTIONS OF STAFF
At this point, various staff people are explaining [again!] history to Pham-Remmele, what the Research Park position is and various other items . . .and even they are saying that they already said these things at this meeting. They explain again that they didn't want a STREET and that is why there were these restrictions. Staff explained bike paths depend upon willingness of property owners, Research Park wasn't interested back then, they are now and the intent remains the same, no motor vehicle access, city was always was interested in bike path.
Pham-Remmele asks about traffic calming surveys. [Why? I have no freaking clue as it has nothing to do with this.] She asks how many people are surveyed. Engineer explains the Neighborhood Traffic Management Program (NTMP) process but says that they did much more than the traffic calming process and surveyed 500 people in the area, had a public hearing at Board of Public Works and 500 notices went out for that meeting as well. He explains that they felt they did extensive outreach. Staff explains that they had an unusual level of public involvement on what the staff sees as a relatively "benign" project.
Pham-Remmele asks if motorized vehicle restrictions will limit motorized wheel chairs. [Seriously, she did.] They explain that motorized wheel chairs are considered pedestrians.
Pham-Remmele asks if electric vehicles would be allowed. Staff explained no, that is a motor vehicle. [I don't know how they did it, but major props to Phillips, Allen, Fernandez and Arthur Ross who joined the fray somewhere along the way for answering these questions. They deserve additional pay for going above and beyond and enduring and handling this with the professionalism that many others in the room could not maintain!]
Pham-Remmele says she has sat through public hearings, says this "is her worst nightmare" [seriously, worse than what is going on in her "emerging neighborhood"?]. Asks what is going on. Asks why are people impacted not happy, says she wants to represent people and be a good neighbor and a friend. She rambles about what to do about when something gets volitile, what does she expect as a result if they keep moving in a negative route, and on and on and I'm sure I missed something here.
Pham-Remmele now, somewhat rhetorically asks/says that says she was told this project was a "no go" if the alder doesn't support it. If Bauman didn't support it, then if she doesn't support it, shouldn't the project stop? She asks if that privilege is still there. She asks if in the end if the alder doesn't support the project, is it a no go - please tell her.
No one quite knows what to say, so the Mayor bravely steps in. He explains that the 20 alders vote and they are the ones that decide.
[At this point, I'm told that there are alders gathering in the hallway, actively trying to break quorum. Pham-Remmele marches on!]
Pham-Remmele asks if she should trust the person who told her that if she opposed it, the project was dead.
Mayor again explains that is not a formal rule.
Pham-Remmele asks how she got that information from staff if she can't rely on it. She says she was assured that was the case and this is a "very scary thing".
[And with that, Pham-Remmele finally cedes the microphone, close to an hour later.]
Mayor asks if there are any other questions
King moves to call the question.
The Mayor and Clerk are realizing that is a 2/3 vote and there likely isn't even quorum in the room.
Kerr goes out in the hallway and brings back in some of the "lost" alders. They get quorum in the room.
Mayor explains that the vote to call the question is not debatable
ROLL CALL
AYE: Bidar-Sielaff, Clausius, Cnare, Compton, Eagon, Kerr, King, Maniaci, Palm, Schmidt, Skidmore
NO: Clear, Pham-Remmele [Oh, but wait, there is more! She asks, yet again, what it means to call the question. And the Mayor explains, AGAIN, what it means.] Rhodes-Conway, Rummel, Sanborn, Schumacher, Solomon, Verveer.
ABSENT: Bruer
The motion fails, they needed 14 votes and only had 11. [Several alders asked me what I would have done. On principle, I never voted to call the question if someone had something that they wanted to say. But I gotta tell you, I don't blame the Aye votes one bit and that would have been quite the test to have to vote on that!]
Palm asks Fernandez about the public process and when this all started. Staff explains that it started in 2008, explains the process and public input and how everyone was involved. [I apologize, I stepped out of the room at this point for a moment.]
DISCUSSION
Pham-Remmele says she knows this is such a small thing and it has escalated to a huge thing and pits neighbor against neighbor and makes them feel like they are being trampled over. She asks [again rhetorically] if we are working in good faith and trying to improve life for people in the city, or are we just considering special interest group [UW Research Park and the business community?] or people with power or access against people who don't have that advantage. She says [ok, this is going to get rambly, but its the best I can do.] maybe I am not talking legal or political, when I took the job because I respond to the appeal to be the voice and to listen so it is very difficult for her to see the voice and pretend that it doesn't exist. She doesn't know how much of a benefit to the city there will be and as she said before, she doesn't live there, she doesn't have to put up with what is happening there but has responsibility to be honest and faithful to the people there who asked her to represent them. She asks people, when we run for office, we are not facing the real people. Heard about alder courtesy, other alders step aside and don't get in the way, but we pick and choose when we want to get in and do things, this might be great benefits or progress, she knows people have different priorities, this is a lowly office where we work face to face with the people who choose us to speak for them. She implores them to do the right thing. Apologizes for taking so much time. Speak from your heart.
[In all that, she never asked for a referral to continue to working on the issue, suggested an alternative solution, asked the other council members to vote against it, said she was going to vote against it, acknowledged that the neighborhood was split, acknowledged that the public testimony was evenly split, acknowledged the issues with those who live closest to a project being opposed (classic NIMBY) and the broader neighborhood and community being in favor. Or many, many other things an alder probably would have done.]
Motion to is to adopt.
ROLL CALL
ABSENT: Bruer
NO: Pham-Remmele
AYE: Everyone else.
At this point, its 8:55.
[After the meeting, people were all standing around talking about the train wreck and snarking about it and the Mayor walks up to me and says "I think we finally found something we can agree on." I could do nothing but laugh and appreciate his comment.]
I think before Dean Mosiman wrote that fluff piece on Pham-Remmele, he and his editors should have been forced to sit through one of these meetings. And maybe her supporters! I think the piece would have turned out quite differently.
I should have mentioned, this project was in Pham-Remmele's district!
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#40 - TOCORA BIKE LANE
TESTIMONY BY REGISTRANTS
3 people spoke against and gave the following reasons for their opposition. They said there is no need, its a path through green space they want preserved, Research Park promised a buffer zone, there are already bike lanes in the area down Tokay, already bike paths into the park, Tokay being resurfaced at the moment and since it is a bike route they should put the lanes there, they say Research Park should pay for it, they said it was a safety issue, that neighbors signed petition, immediate neighbor says its a safety issue because it will increase traffic that will produce litter, it will attract dogs and the things they leave behind, that there have been cars congregating in the parking lots already and that they are concerned about future illegal behavior. One neighbor wants a fence built.
3 people spoke in support and reasons cited for support include that it is needed, people who work in Research Park (at least 7 people in one building) want it, one person shoveled a path for 5 years in the winter and people are already using it, bikes shouldn't ride on sidewalks because bike are too fast and not compatible with pedestrians, when no designated route people do cut across the yard and cause other problems, this is consistent with city plans, its hard to get to UW Research Park, they say it is a safety issue, no good bike route, especially at night when going east. You can't just simply go around and alternative options include going the wrong way on Tokay or using Whitney Way (6 lanes, no bike lane), cut through parking lot where drivers are not looking for bikes, ride on sidewalk, bike across a greenway if not muddy or snowy and have a bike that can handle terrain. They say this will prevent people from driving, doesn't cost that much compared to what we spend on large projects in the city and its good economic development because these amenities to bike and walk to work are good to attract businesses. Midvale Heights Community Association is in support and they read letter they submitted in support.
[Note, there were 3 in favor, 3 against. 50/50 support and opposition.]
QUESTIONS OF REGISTRANTS
Kerr asked Community Association representative if this was in their area. She confirmed it is.
[And now, the fun begins, just so you know, this next diatribe goes on for over 40 minutes according to folks who timed it . . . ]
Pham-Remmele asks Denise Lamb, President of the neighborhood association about the letter she read and if she is president. Um, yes, she is. She asks how long she lived there, Lamb says 7 years. Pham-Remmele asks how many people are members of the group. Lamb says there are approximately 1700 households in neighborhood and about 3 -4K people, but 600 - 700 households or 1400 people are members of the group. Pham-Remmele asks he why she doesn't have exact numbers. Lamb explains the treasurer has those records but they are not here. Pham-Remmele points out it is part of the neighborhood plan, Lamb explains that Midvale Heights and Westmoorland are doing a joint neighborhood plan and that they are working on better access from neighborhood to Research Park and Westgate shopping center. Pham Remmele confirms that the plan hasn't been approved. Lamb agrees.
Pham-Remmele asks Mr. Lincoln about the petition. He says he walked the neighborhood. Pham-Remmele clarifies that the signatures are from "real people" living there. He says there are 50 plus signatures from "real people" and they want to preserve the buffer zone. She asks him again to verify that these are real people because she says she cannot read the signatures. He offers to print the names from the petition for her. He explains again that he went door to door and talked to people. He says the survey was conducted 2 months ago. Pham-Remmele asks him if he knocked on a specific door of a 90 year old lady. He says he knocked on every door, not every one answered. She asks about another person who opposed and he says that they have several elderly in their neighborhood but he doesn't know if he talked to a specific person. [I don't think anyone doubted this guy and I have no idea why she was grilling him about the petition. And apparently, she had asked the same question about the elderly lady at the Board of Public Works and he gave the same answers. This is the same tactic she used when questioning another person who circulated a petition. I can't tell why she is doing it except to point out that she got phone calls from people in her district and she wants the council to know that? Her questions just didn't seem to have a point and didn't make a difference to any of the alders, as they had no reason and no one alledged that there was anything wrong with the petition.]
Pham-Remmele asks Mrs. Lincoln about the covenant. Lincoln explains there is a 100 foot buffer zone. Pham-Remmele asks if she has the paper. Lincoln says she assumes that the Council would have that. Lincoln explained she has cancer and she is staying at home often and that she hasn't seen anyone wanting to use the bike path. Pham-Remmele asks if she has interaction with employees or staff of UW Research Park. Lincoln says she knows 15 people who work there, and the ones that she has contact has not been positive. Lincoln says she chases them out of her yard and that they pick her flowers and they create excessive noise. Lincoln talked about a stolen bike in the neighborhood and said she just let it lay there cuz she didn't want to call the police. [I think her point was that if people don't respect her property, she won't respect theirs.] She also talks about the noise created by the fans on the buildings at Research Park needing to be quieter. [Somehow, I'm having a hard time thinking about the people who work at University Research Park as noise making hooligans running around the neighborhood and making people feel unsafe.]
Pham-Remmele asks "Mr. Cieslewicz" [she purposefully mispronounces his name and doesn't call him Mayor, which she often does. She used to address him differently, the mispronunciation and lack of using his title is new.] what the procedure is. Says she doesn't know the procedure but she wants to ask questions of staff. [Seriously, after being on the council for two years, she doesn't understand the procedure? She was a Fulbright scholar, right?]
There are no other questions for registrants, so the Mayor allows her to ask questions of staff.
QUESTIONS OF STAFF
Pham-Remmele says this is a new issue to her [NEW? As of when?], and she doesn't have the history, so she asks what a plat restriction is. Tony Fernandez from City Engineering explains that the covenant is between the developer and the future users of the property. [The future users of University Park, not the neighbors of University Park.] Fernandez says a bike path in a landscaped zone is not unusual. He says that there will need to be an exception to the covenant for the bike path. Fernandez clarifies that it is an agreement between the Research Park and the new owners in the park that would buy parcels, not with the neighborhood or adjacent property owners.
Pham-Remmele asks who can change the restriction and staff explains that Research Park and the future owners of the parcels can make the change. Staff says the UW needs to make two changes to make the bike path happen, the Research Park will provide the easement to the city to build the path, but is in support. Second they need to amend the covenant and the restriction on the plat will need to be lifted. Since the city required the restriction in the 80's to prevent a street, there should be no problem lifting the restriction on the plat. Fernandez explains that the restriction was there to prevent a road from being built and cars driving on it. He says since then state law changed and that now bikes are considered vehicles which was not the intent of the original restriction and that the city would like it to be restricted to cars. He says the new plat restriction would limit the restriction to "motor vehicles".
Pham-Remmele asked why the restriction was originally requested [Pay attention, he just explained!] So he explains again.
Pham-Remmele asks if the 3rd parties have any rights in the convenant. Engineering staff is struggling to understand her likely because they have already explained. Mayor says it is a question for attorney not engineer. Pham-Remmele says she doesn't understand who to ask [again, after two years??] Roger Allen is sitting in for the City Attorney and explains that that the two parties can change the agreement and while the interests of third parties might be impacted and even tho they benefitted, they don't have any rights to enforce the covenant because they aren't parties to the agreement. [Seems pretty basic and seems to be what Fernandez explained earlier] Allen or the Mayor even remark that in this case the engineers and lawyers agree. Pham-Remmele says that clears that up for her. [But, apparently, it doesn't, because she asks the same question again!]
Pham-Remmele asks again about the covenant that can be unilaterally changed by one party. Allen again explains that both parties to the covenant have to agree.
Pham-Remmele asks if she should put "her dirty hand" in there to change the agreement. She rambles and I have no idea what she says. She repeats herself. Urges people to just vote. [But she goes on!]
Pham-Remmele asks if they are violating any laws and if they are "doing the right thing". City attorney explains that there are no violations of the law. He says it is a policy decision about if they are "doing the right thing".
Pham-Remmele seems confused and states/asks how doing the legal thing is not the right thing. [Silence, so she goes on.]
Pham-Remmele asks about if there are any restrictions on plat to keep it green space. Staff explain the only restriction on the plat is about the vehicular traffic. She asks again about the buffer zone and asks if University Research Park could just build in the buffer zone if they wanted. Fernandez says he thinks so, but he isn't an attorney. So Allen agrees.
Pham-Remmele jumps back in and asks if the covenant can be changed, why would they enter it in the first place. Allen goes back and describes the planning process to Pham-Remmele and the checks and balances that are in place. He explains the difference between a covenant and a plat restriction. He explains that covenants are private law, not a matter for the council.
[At this point many alders are out of the seats, talking to each other, making jokes, including some suggesting that she should, in her own words, "Quit hogging the microphone"]
Pham-Remmele has gone into discussion instead of asking staff questions and is rambling about history, and tries to get the answer she wants. She tries to compare this buffer zone covenant to the peace treaties with the Native Americans. And asks Allen to opine. Allen says he could talk all night about the atrocities that Native Americans have suffered but they were a direct party to the contract, and the neighbors here are not. [It was beautifully delivered, I wish I had captured it better.]
Pham-Remmele says she inherited this issue and she asks if this is the first opposition to this bike path. Fernandez says can't speak authoritatively, says that this project was not proposed in the last 9 years he was here, has heard that neighborhood folks have raised that issue, but he is not aware of any similar proposals in the past.
Pham-Remmele asks if anyone one here older than Mr. Fernandez? [How does one respond to that? Mayor makes some jokes to lighten the growing tension in the room and let the staff off the hook. The staff must have been very uncomfortable by this point, trying to answer questions that largely were answered or made no sense.]
Pham-Remmele says that she was told that this was rejected and rejected again and that it started when Bauman was in office. And Bauman did not support it then because controversial. She asks anyone here to "please have mercy on me". [At this point, council has completely lost all decorum, and despite my post yesterday, I don't blame them one bit. At least 4 or 5 have been standing in the back of the room joking with the reporters and pointing out how inappropriate this is. And slowly . . . people are disappearing from the room. I think they leave to go to the restroom and just don't come back.]
As Pham-Remmele is asking for mercy, the people in opposition are visibly anxious to answer her questions.
BACK TO QUESTIONS OF REGISTRANTS
Mayor suggests that someone from the neighborhood try to answer the history question. Lamb says that Bauman surveyed people in the neighborhood and 60% supported, 32% opposed and they didn't move forward. [People are just laughing out loud now, barely concealing their frustration and openly joking about how bad this all is. 5 or 6 alders are wandering around the room, probably afraid to be caught on camera. As Lamb is explaining the survey, Pham-Remmele exclaims "Bauman was an Alder?". And the room is just nutty at this point.] Mrs. Lincoln also comes up to the mic and explains that 60% were against it and that she lived there when the survey was done. [I suspect she said more, but at this point, it was very hard to pay attention with all the stuff going on in the room. At this point, I was losing my ability to focus.]
BACK TO QUESTIONS OF STAFF
At this point, various staff people are explaining [again!] history to Pham-Remmele, what the Research Park position is and various other items . . .and even they are saying that they already said these things at this meeting. They explain again that they didn't want a STREET and that is why there were these restrictions. Staff explained bike paths depend upon willingness of property owners, Research Park wasn't interested back then, they are now and the intent remains the same, no motor vehicle access, city was always was interested in bike path.
Pham-Remmele asks about traffic calming surveys. [Why? I have no freaking clue as it has nothing to do with this.] She asks how many people are surveyed. Engineer explains the Neighborhood Traffic Management Program (NTMP) process but says that they did much more than the traffic calming process and surveyed 500 people in the area, had a public hearing at Board of Public Works and 500 notices went out for that meeting as well. He explains that they felt they did extensive outreach. Staff explains that they had an unusual level of public involvement on what the staff sees as a relatively "benign" project.
Pham-Remmele asks if motorized vehicle restrictions will limit motorized wheel chairs. [Seriously, she did.] They explain that motorized wheel chairs are considered pedestrians.
Pham-Remmele asks if electric vehicles would be allowed. Staff explained no, that is a motor vehicle. [I don't know how they did it, but major props to Phillips, Allen, Fernandez and Arthur Ross who joined the fray somewhere along the way for answering these questions. They deserve additional pay for going above and beyond and enduring and handling this with the professionalism that many others in the room could not maintain!]
Pham-Remmele says she has sat through public hearings, says this "is her worst nightmare" [seriously, worse than what is going on in her "emerging neighborhood"?]. Asks what is going on. Asks why are people impacted not happy, says she wants to represent people and be a good neighbor and a friend. She rambles about what to do about when something gets volitile, what does she expect as a result if they keep moving in a negative route, and on and on and I'm sure I missed something here.
Pham-Remmele now, somewhat rhetorically asks/says that says she was told this project was a "no go" if the alder doesn't support it. If Bauman didn't support it, then if she doesn't support it, shouldn't the project stop? She asks if that privilege is still there. She asks if in the end if the alder doesn't support the project, is it a no go - please tell her.
No one quite knows what to say, so the Mayor bravely steps in. He explains that the 20 alders vote and they are the ones that decide.
[At this point, I'm told that there are alders gathering in the hallway, actively trying to break quorum. Pham-Remmele marches on!]
Pham-Remmele asks if she should trust the person who told her that if she opposed it, the project was dead.
Mayor again explains that is not a formal rule.
Pham-Remmele asks how she got that information from staff if she can't rely on it. She says she was assured that was the case and this is a "very scary thing".
[And with that, Pham-Remmele finally cedes the microphone, close to an hour later.]
Mayor asks if there are any other questions
King moves to call the question.
The Mayor and Clerk are realizing that is a 2/3 vote and there likely isn't even quorum in the room.
Kerr goes out in the hallway and brings back in some of the "lost" alders. They get quorum in the room.
Mayor explains that the vote to call the question is not debatable
ROLL CALL
AYE: Bidar-Sielaff, Clausius, Cnare, Compton, Eagon, Kerr, King, Maniaci, Palm, Schmidt, Skidmore
NO: Clear, Pham-Remmele [Oh, but wait, there is more! She asks, yet again, what it means to call the question. And the Mayor explains, AGAIN, what it means.] Rhodes-Conway, Rummel, Sanborn, Schumacher, Solomon, Verveer.
ABSENT: Bruer
The motion fails, they needed 14 votes and only had 11. [Several alders asked me what I would have done. On principle, I never voted to call the question if someone had something that they wanted to say. But I gotta tell you, I don't blame the Aye votes one bit and that would have been quite the test to have to vote on that!]
Palm asks Fernandez about the public process and when this all started. Staff explains that it started in 2008, explains the process and public input and how everyone was involved. [I apologize, I stepped out of the room at this point for a moment.]
DISCUSSION
Pham-Remmele says she knows this is such a small thing and it has escalated to a huge thing and pits neighbor against neighbor and makes them feel like they are being trampled over. She asks [again rhetorically] if we are working in good faith and trying to improve life for people in the city, or are we just considering special interest group [UW Research Park and the business community?] or people with power or access against people who don't have that advantage. She says [ok, this is going to get rambly, but its the best I can do.] maybe I am not talking legal or political, when I took the job because I respond to the appeal to be the voice and to listen so it is very difficult for her to see the voice and pretend that it doesn't exist. She doesn't know how much of a benefit to the city there will be and as she said before, she doesn't live there, she doesn't have to put up with what is happening there but has responsibility to be honest and faithful to the people there who asked her to represent them. She asks people, when we run for office, we are not facing the real people. Heard about alder courtesy, other alders step aside and don't get in the way, but we pick and choose when we want to get in and do things, this might be great benefits or progress, she knows people have different priorities, this is a lowly office where we work face to face with the people who choose us to speak for them. She implores them to do the right thing. Apologizes for taking so much time. Speak from your heart.
[In all that, she never asked for a referral to continue to working on the issue, suggested an alternative solution, asked the other council members to vote against it, said she was going to vote against it, acknowledged that the neighborhood was split, acknowledged that the public testimony was evenly split, acknowledged the issues with those who live closest to a project being opposed (classic NIMBY) and the broader neighborhood and community being in favor. Or many, many other things an alder probably would have done.]
Motion to is to adopt.
ROLL CALL
ABSENT: Bruer
NO: Pham-Remmele
AYE: Everyone else.
At this point, its 8:55.
[After the meeting, people were all standing around talking about the train wreck and snarking about it and the Mayor walks up to me and says "I think we finally found something we can agree on." I could do nothing but laugh and appreciate his comment.]
I think before Dean Mosiman wrote that fluff piece on Pham-Remmele, he and his editors should have been forced to sit through one of these meetings. And maybe her supporters! I think the piece would have turned out quite differently.
I should have mentioned, this project was in Pham-Remmele's district!
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Common Council Recap - Everything but the Pham-Remmele Circus
They started only 2 minutes late!! We'll call that progress!!! [Tho it could be because Bruer wasn't there blabbering at the Mayor and stalling the start of the meeting. Thanks Clear for making the effort!]
The meeting started with everyone in attendance with the exception of Bruer. Clear was making the motions for the meeting.
They started with a moment of silence for Memorial student who was shot and in memory of the parents killed and students injured in the car accident.
HONORING RESOLUTIONS
#1. Declaring July Parks and Recreation Month - I think it passed, but no one from parks was there to accept it, but I believe the Mayor said he would pass that along to Parks, but don't be surprised if it ends up on a future agenda.
#2. Recognizing the Public Health Department for their work during the H1N1 outbreak. Dr. Schlenker talked about the work his staff (nurses and health educators and managers) does and why they were able to respond so well to the recent emergency. Motion to approve passed.
#3. Honoring Judy Hughes from Human Resources for service to the city for 30 years and wishing her well in retirement. [At least, I assume she is retiring, I don't think the resolution ever actually said that, but she alluded to it.]
Schumacher talked about how Hughes supported him during his campaign. [Wow! Can you imagine what would have happened if I, or any Progressive Dane member, had thanked a City staff person for supporting us in our campaigns? People would be freaking out about how inappropriate and political/partisan that was.]
Verveer says not all city employees get honored and usually co-workers don't come and the fact that so many came is a testament to her work. He talked how as Council President he was in charge of filling the position of Municipal Judge and how he relied on her to help with that process.
Mayor also praised her for her professionalism and for making the hiring process easier.
#101 - Resolution honoring UW Lifesaving Station. Says we usually on hear about when people don't get rescued and accepted the resolution for all those who have been saved and who helped save them.
#102 - Condemns hate speech and hate-motivated violence. No one there to accept it. Passed unaimously with no comment.
PETITIONS AND COMMUNICATIONS
None.
EARLY COMMENT
None.
CONSENT AGENDA
Move the entire agenda except the following items:
Public Hearing items 4 - 12. (Find links here)
#40 - Tocora Bike Lane
#59 - Plastic Bag Ban
and #100 - Contract for Dispatch Services
Items #13 (Appointments), #21 (Monona Terrace Cafe & Budget) & #24 (Purgola for Veterans Memorial Park) were items that needed a super-majority vote and there was no objection to unanimous consent. [2/3 (14) vote needed for appointments because they appointed people who live outside the City of Madison and 15 votes needed for the other two items because they were amending the budget)
#63 (Affirmative Action reports on Committees) was referred to 7/7 and #77 (Increasing fines for Trespassing and Panhandling) there was an additional referral of the Equal Opportunities Commission.
RECESSED PUBLIC HEARINGS
#4. JT Whitneys - moved referral to next Common Council meeting, applicant doesn't have a lease yet. Passed unanimously.
#5. Sherman Terrace Water Main Replacement - One speaker in support with a few others registered in support with similar comments as last time and thanks to those who helped resolve this. Passed without comment
PUBLIC HEARINGS
PLAN COMMISSION
#6 & 7. Project from Dist 6 on Jenifer, Cantwell, Thornton - no registrants, the item was referred as noted on the agenda.
#8. Project on E Wash/First St. - John Sutton, the architect was available to answer questions, there were no questions. Separated by Rhodes-Conway. She moves referral to 7-21 council meeting. Says they don't have final approval from Urban Design and she wants that in place before council looks at it.
PUBLIC WORKS ITEMS
#9. Femrite & Marsh Road Assessments - No comments
#10 BLACKHAWK ROAD ASSESSMENTS
Mayor announced they are going to have a new process - they set the timer at 4 minutes (instead of the 5 allowed), because he said they were asked to be more conscious of the time. [I wasn't clear if that was just a 1 minute warning, or if they were getting their time shortened. And I wasn't clear if the timer went off again at 5 minutes. If it doesn't, then that defeats the purpose and doesn't address the concerns.]
Three residents expressed concerns about neighbors all being opposed to the plan presented, appreciates staff efforts, but they said it was an unnecessary burden for the residents. They said that long stretches of the road are owned by the city, one says he's an avid biker and that the road doesn't go anywhere so it doesn't make any sense. Only goes to Hwy 14 or Old Sauk. They said that if they add a bike lane, it forces curb and gutter on one side of the road. They said speeding is a problem. They also said that the road is only one mile. One speaker says that in these economic times we don't need to do this. Asked for it to be sent back for further consideration on bike lane and curb and gutter.
Mark Shahan spoke in support. Talks about the Midvale Blvd discussion and the policies about bike lanes. He explains that the assessment is no different with or without the bike lane. He says that we can argue about how the curb and gutter and 4 feet of right of way are paid for, but currently this is the policy to charge the owners. He says that this bike lane is a needed as a connector, says he has used it and it is a common route for bike rides. He also notes that Old Sauk Trails Business Park is also there and this connects to that. He says this is a first part of a larger plan for bike trails.
QUESTIONS OF REGISTRANTS
Pham-Remmele asks if they had enough time and information about what was happening and if there were proper meetings. The person who answered was quite clear that it isn't a matter of communication, we just disagree, he noted everyone keeps trying to make that the issue, but he said that more communication won't make us agree. Communication is not the issue, he said people keep saying that to make themselves feel better, but it isn't about communication. He said City Engineering has been good at working with them. He says in this case, the curb and gutter is required because of the bike lane an widening the road. He says it will cost him $3-4K more as a result.
Pham-Remmele asks if they have worked with the Alder. He says yes. Says many people have talked to Skidmore.
Pham-Remmele asks if they feel they have a choice or that they just has to accept. He says that he will wait for the vote to decide. If they vote yes, he'll feel like he has no say. If they agree, he'll feel that their opinion matters. [This dude was awesome at calling it like it is and answering these questions!]
Compton tries to clarify along the same lines as Shahan about what they are paying for, that they have to pay for 4 feet of traffic lane, whether the bike lane is there or not. Speaker says that if the street was not widened the additional curb and gutter would not be required and they wouldn't have to pay for it because they could just leave the ditch.
QUESTIONS OF STAFF
Clear asks if assessment would be the same if they did curb and gutter but no bike lanes. Rob Phillips from City Engineering says yes - they pay 100% of curb and gutter and for 4 feet of asphalt. Phillips understands the argument but widening the road would require curb and gutter. Clear asks if it is policy to add curb and gutter. Phillips says yes unless development is several years away or less intensive. Phillips says he can't think of any area like this where they did not put bike lanes on the street. Clear asks if there is anything unusal about this area. Phillips says only the golf course in the City of Middleton and Town of Middleton is unusual. But, we have sidewalk most of the length. People in the audience disagree with Phillips and are vocal about it, the Mayor explains that they are out of order and only the council members can speak now. Phillips says that curb and gutter is needed for drainage and they won't have space for the ditch here. Clear asks about the approval of the other entitites that share the road (City and Town of Middleton), Phillips doesn't know the status of that approval from those bodies.
Palm asks Phillips to discuss deed restrictions. Phillips says that the city policy is to put the residents on notice before they buy the property and so they record a deed restriction against the properties that the property owners waive their right to the public hearing (that they are having now) and that is how they have notice that the improvements are coming and they will have to pay for it when they buy the property. Phillips points out that one of the speakers tonight is the developer who should have fully known this would happen and agreed to it when they did the development. Palm asks how specific the language in the deed restriction is. Phillips says it just says road "improvements" and doesn't specifically say "bike lanes".
Maniaci asks which blocks they are talking about because she is trying to look it up on Googlemaps because there is no map in the materials. Staff seems stunned and doesn't know how to answer. Alders sitting around her help her figure it out. [Thanks Alder Buddy Cnare! Here's a hint, look at the materials from the meeting, especially the excel file that lists each of the individual properties.]
Motion to adopt report and recommendations. No discussion or request for separate. Passes with only one voice vote against (Pham-Remmele).
PLAN COMMISSION
#11. Rezoning of 214 N. Hamilton - Dan O'Callighan of Michael Best and Frederich registered to answer questions. No questions.
#12 - AUTUMN LAKE
My favorite Autumn Lake [Remember all the rushing we HAD TO do to get this project done because it was urgent they get going on the project and the editorials by the WSJ about how terrible the Plan Commission was? Well, 5 years later . . . they are here to renew the PUD that would expire becuase they haven't built anything. ]- Don Esposito and Brian Munson of Veridian Homes registered to answer questions.
QUESTIONS OF REGISTRANTS
Rummel asks question about the goundwater. Esposito says that anedotally ground water levels have increased throughout the county, record rain and snow fall in last few years. Says staff recommendation to study that and suggested mitigation is something they agree to, its just a timing issue. Says it is not favorable to do it in advance of development. Says it would have to be re-studied later after grading and installation of improvements. Says staff agrees with them and he has it in writing if anyone wants to see it.
Rummel asks where they are in the process. Esposito says that 6 or 7 years ago it was proposed by Midland Builders to compete with Grandview Commons, the two former rival companies that now make up Veridian, and now that they are focusing on Grandview Commons and that they are not moving forward, plus there's the economy. He says there are absolutely no changes to the GDP and it is the same as the proposed 5 years ago.
Rummel asks how they would mitigate groundwater issues. Esposito says that they would use similar techniques as they used in Smith's Crossings. Says Veridian is one of the few builders that offer dry basement policy on 100% of their homes.
Rummel asks if they are concerned about standing water? Esposito says he is concerned and that they will take steps, but not necessary for the GDP.
[Pst, Don, that wasn't so terrible, was it? :)]
Motion is approval of 11 & 12 which is recommendation from plan commission last night. Compton abstains on 11. Rummel separates 12. 11 passes on voice vote.
QUESTIONS OF STAFF
Rummel asks questions of staff on Autumn Lake and what the standing water means. Phillips says the City Engineer installed sanitary sewer to the north and they did the project based on soil borings but when they built it, they ran into extraordinary high ground water levels and that alerted them to the problems with development of Veridian land. He said they are recieveing complaints about water in basement from people who never had that problem in the past. Says it is a city wide problem. Phillips says Veridian is willing to address the concern and they are comfortable with that. He does say, however, that the issue just can't be forgotten. [Um, the way to make sure isn't forgotten would be . . . making an amendment to the PUD conditions now, right? ] I think Rummel was the only no on a voice vote
#40 - TOCORA BIKE LANE
This one is special for oh, so many reasons, and will have a separate post. Lessons in how to alienate and piss off your colleagues to the point where they actually leave the room so there is no quorum.
#59 - PLASTIC BAGS
Clear adds language that says no enforcement will occur until street superintendent establishes a program to recycle the bags and that they would bring that program back to council for approval.
DISCUSSION
Sanborn - Says they need to consider the tradeoffs in the real world issue, not just cave in because they used the word environment. He says there will be very little plastic saved, but instead people will get in fossil fuel burning vehicles to drop off bags where fossil fuel burning vehicles will take the bags somewhere else. He says in exchange for those "benefits" they make the community angry and others are simply amused and say "there goes the Madison City Council again". Says not one person has ever been ticketed with the current recycling ordinance for plastic bottles etc. He says we won't ever have a plastic bag police, so what message do we send, we have some laws that are suggestions and others we enforce and how do people know which are which. Says we should have a higher standard before we substitute our judgement for others.
ROLL CALL
NO: Sanborn
ABSENT: Bruer, Pham-Remmele
AYE: Everyone else.
[Several people have asked me where Pham-Remmele was. She spent some time out in the hallway talking to the people on the Tocora Bike lane issue and wasn't seen again before they adjourned. She didn't storm out or leave, but she didn't do her job on the rest of the items on the agenda, either and people said she was in the restroom.]
#100 - DISPATCH CONTRACT
Motion to adopt. Clear explains that 30 day extension is needed because the contract is up at the end of the month and there are no more meetings before that.
Kerr says this has been an important issue and asks where this stands overall, understands why extension, but asks for an update. Plant says that Chief Wray, Chief Amesqua, City Attorney and mayor's office working with county, identified issues, have language, agreed to start drafting, got very close to agreed upon language that was going back and forth but as new director was being hired and they wanted his opinion. They've talked to the new director and they are going over the final agreement, says that the lastest they will come back is August 7.
DISCUSSION
Skidmore says it is not soup yet but very close. Supports the extension but is confident they are close to a good agreement.
Motion passes unanimously on a voice vote.
INTRODUCTIONS FROM FLOOR
King - Introduces a resolution by title only about the concern about closure of Madison Multi-Cultural Center and expressing the City's interest in collaborating to continue services. Bidar-Sielaff and Kerr ask to be co-sponsors. No objections to introducing by title only and they record unanimous vote.
Clear wishes Ald. Clausisus good luck with knee replacement surgery tomorrow and moves to adjourn.
Meeting is over at 9:02 or so - with a somewhat stunned and relieved Common Council. See here to find out why.
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The meeting started with everyone in attendance with the exception of Bruer. Clear was making the motions for the meeting.
They started with a moment of silence for Memorial student who was shot and in memory of the parents killed and students injured in the car accident.
HONORING RESOLUTIONS
#1. Declaring July Parks and Recreation Month - I think it passed, but no one from parks was there to accept it, but I believe the Mayor said he would pass that along to Parks, but don't be surprised if it ends up on a future agenda.
#2. Recognizing the Public Health Department for their work during the H1N1 outbreak. Dr. Schlenker talked about the work his staff (nurses and health educators and managers) does and why they were able to respond so well to the recent emergency. Motion to approve passed.
#3. Honoring Judy Hughes from Human Resources for service to the city for 30 years and wishing her well in retirement. [At least, I assume she is retiring, I don't think the resolution ever actually said that, but she alluded to it.]
Schumacher talked about how Hughes supported him during his campaign. [Wow! Can you imagine what would have happened if I, or any Progressive Dane member, had thanked a City staff person for supporting us in our campaigns? People would be freaking out about how inappropriate and political/partisan that was.]
Verveer says not all city employees get honored and usually co-workers don't come and the fact that so many came is a testament to her work. He talked how as Council President he was in charge of filling the position of Municipal Judge and how he relied on her to help with that process.
Mayor also praised her for her professionalism and for making the hiring process easier.
#101 - Resolution honoring UW Lifesaving Station. Says we usually on hear about when people don't get rescued and accepted the resolution for all those who have been saved and who helped save them.
#102 - Condemns hate speech and hate-motivated violence. No one there to accept it. Passed unaimously with no comment.
PETITIONS AND COMMUNICATIONS
None.
EARLY COMMENT
None.
CONSENT AGENDA
Move the entire agenda except the following items:
Public Hearing items 4 - 12. (Find links here)
#40 - Tocora Bike Lane
#59 - Plastic Bag Ban
and #100 - Contract for Dispatch Services
Items #13 (Appointments), #21 (Monona Terrace Cafe & Budget) & #24 (Purgola for Veterans Memorial Park) were items that needed a super-majority vote and there was no objection to unanimous consent. [2/3 (14) vote needed for appointments because they appointed people who live outside the City of Madison and 15 votes needed for the other two items because they were amending the budget)
#63 (Affirmative Action reports on Committees) was referred to 7/7 and #77 (Increasing fines for Trespassing and Panhandling) there was an additional referral of the Equal Opportunities Commission.
RECESSED PUBLIC HEARINGS
#4. JT Whitneys - moved referral to next Common Council meeting, applicant doesn't have a lease yet. Passed unanimously.
#5. Sherman Terrace Water Main Replacement - One speaker in support with a few others registered in support with similar comments as last time and thanks to those who helped resolve this. Passed without comment
PUBLIC HEARINGS
PLAN COMMISSION
#6 & 7. Project from Dist 6 on Jenifer, Cantwell, Thornton - no registrants, the item was referred as noted on the agenda.
#8. Project on E Wash/First St. - John Sutton, the architect was available to answer questions, there were no questions. Separated by Rhodes-Conway. She moves referral to 7-21 council meeting. Says they don't have final approval from Urban Design and she wants that in place before council looks at it.
PUBLIC WORKS ITEMS
#9. Femrite & Marsh Road Assessments - No comments
#10 BLACKHAWK ROAD ASSESSMENTS
Mayor announced they are going to have a new process - they set the timer at 4 minutes (instead of the 5 allowed), because he said they were asked to be more conscious of the time. [I wasn't clear if that was just a 1 minute warning, or if they were getting their time shortened. And I wasn't clear if the timer went off again at 5 minutes. If it doesn't, then that defeats the purpose and doesn't address the concerns.]
Three residents expressed concerns about neighbors all being opposed to the plan presented, appreciates staff efforts, but they said it was an unnecessary burden for the residents. They said that long stretches of the road are owned by the city, one says he's an avid biker and that the road doesn't go anywhere so it doesn't make any sense. Only goes to Hwy 14 or Old Sauk. They said that if they add a bike lane, it forces curb and gutter on one side of the road. They said speeding is a problem. They also said that the road is only one mile. One speaker says that in these economic times we don't need to do this. Asked for it to be sent back for further consideration on bike lane and curb and gutter.
Mark Shahan spoke in support. Talks about the Midvale Blvd discussion and the policies about bike lanes. He explains that the assessment is no different with or without the bike lane. He says that we can argue about how the curb and gutter and 4 feet of right of way are paid for, but currently this is the policy to charge the owners. He says that this bike lane is a needed as a connector, says he has used it and it is a common route for bike rides. He also notes that Old Sauk Trails Business Park is also there and this connects to that. He says this is a first part of a larger plan for bike trails.
QUESTIONS OF REGISTRANTS
Pham-Remmele asks if they had enough time and information about what was happening and if there were proper meetings. The person who answered was quite clear that it isn't a matter of communication, we just disagree, he noted everyone keeps trying to make that the issue, but he said that more communication won't make us agree. Communication is not the issue, he said people keep saying that to make themselves feel better, but it isn't about communication. He said City Engineering has been good at working with them. He says in this case, the curb and gutter is required because of the bike lane an widening the road. He says it will cost him $3-4K more as a result.
Pham-Remmele asks if they have worked with the Alder. He says yes. Says many people have talked to Skidmore.
Pham-Remmele asks if they feel they have a choice or that they just has to accept. He says that he will wait for the vote to decide. If they vote yes, he'll feel like he has no say. If they agree, he'll feel that their opinion matters. [This dude was awesome at calling it like it is and answering these questions!]
Compton tries to clarify along the same lines as Shahan about what they are paying for, that they have to pay for 4 feet of traffic lane, whether the bike lane is there or not. Speaker says that if the street was not widened the additional curb and gutter would not be required and they wouldn't have to pay for it because they could just leave the ditch.
QUESTIONS OF STAFF
Clear asks if assessment would be the same if they did curb and gutter but no bike lanes. Rob Phillips from City Engineering says yes - they pay 100% of curb and gutter and for 4 feet of asphalt. Phillips understands the argument but widening the road would require curb and gutter. Clear asks if it is policy to add curb and gutter. Phillips says yes unless development is several years away or less intensive. Phillips says he can't think of any area like this where they did not put bike lanes on the street. Clear asks if there is anything unusal about this area. Phillips says only the golf course in the City of Middleton and Town of Middleton is unusual. But, we have sidewalk most of the length. People in the audience disagree with Phillips and are vocal about it, the Mayor explains that they are out of order and only the council members can speak now. Phillips says that curb and gutter is needed for drainage and they won't have space for the ditch here. Clear asks about the approval of the other entitites that share the road (City and Town of Middleton), Phillips doesn't know the status of that approval from those bodies.
Palm asks Phillips to discuss deed restrictions. Phillips says that the city policy is to put the residents on notice before they buy the property and so they record a deed restriction against the properties that the property owners waive their right to the public hearing (that they are having now) and that is how they have notice that the improvements are coming and they will have to pay for it when they buy the property. Phillips points out that one of the speakers tonight is the developer who should have fully known this would happen and agreed to it when they did the development. Palm asks how specific the language in the deed restriction is. Phillips says it just says road "improvements" and doesn't specifically say "bike lanes".
Maniaci asks which blocks they are talking about because she is trying to look it up on Googlemaps because there is no map in the materials. Staff seems stunned and doesn't know how to answer. Alders sitting around her help her figure it out. [Thanks Alder Buddy Cnare! Here's a hint, look at the materials from the meeting, especially the excel file that lists each of the individual properties.]
Motion to adopt report and recommendations. No discussion or request for separate. Passes with only one voice vote against (Pham-Remmele).
PLAN COMMISSION
#11. Rezoning of 214 N. Hamilton - Dan O'Callighan of Michael Best and Frederich registered to answer questions. No questions.
#12 - AUTUMN LAKE
My favorite Autumn Lake [Remember all the rushing we HAD TO do to get this project done because it was urgent they get going on the project and the editorials by the WSJ about how terrible the Plan Commission was? Well, 5 years later . . . they are here to renew the PUD that would expire becuase they haven't built anything. ]- Don Esposito and Brian Munson of Veridian Homes registered to answer questions.
QUESTIONS OF REGISTRANTS
Rummel asks question about the goundwater. Esposito says that anedotally ground water levels have increased throughout the county, record rain and snow fall in last few years. Says staff recommendation to study that and suggested mitigation is something they agree to, its just a timing issue. Says it is not favorable to do it in advance of development. Says it would have to be re-studied later after grading and installation of improvements. Says staff agrees with them and he has it in writing if anyone wants to see it.
Rummel asks where they are in the process. Esposito says that 6 or 7 years ago it was proposed by Midland Builders to compete with Grandview Commons, the two former rival companies that now make up Veridian, and now that they are focusing on Grandview Commons and that they are not moving forward, plus there's the economy. He says there are absolutely no changes to the GDP and it is the same as the proposed 5 years ago.
Rummel asks how they would mitigate groundwater issues. Esposito says that they would use similar techniques as they used in Smith's Crossings. Says Veridian is one of the few builders that offer dry basement policy on 100% of their homes.
Rummel asks if they are concerned about standing water? Esposito says he is concerned and that they will take steps, but not necessary for the GDP.
[Pst, Don, that wasn't so terrible, was it? :)]
Motion is approval of 11 & 12 which is recommendation from plan commission last night. Compton abstains on 11. Rummel separates 12. 11 passes on voice vote.
QUESTIONS OF STAFF
Rummel asks questions of staff on Autumn Lake and what the standing water means. Phillips says the City Engineer installed sanitary sewer to the north and they did the project based on soil borings but when they built it, they ran into extraordinary high ground water levels and that alerted them to the problems with development of Veridian land. He said they are recieveing complaints about water in basement from people who never had that problem in the past. Says it is a city wide problem. Phillips says Veridian is willing to address the concern and they are comfortable with that. He does say, however, that the issue just can't be forgotten. [Um, the way to make sure isn't forgotten would be . . . making an amendment to the PUD conditions now, right? ] I think Rummel was the only no on a voice vote
#40 - TOCORA BIKE LANE
This one is special for oh, so many reasons, and will have a separate post. Lessons in how to alienate and piss off your colleagues to the point where they actually leave the room so there is no quorum.
#59 - PLASTIC BAGS
Clear adds language that says no enforcement will occur until street superintendent establishes a program to recycle the bags and that they would bring that program back to council for approval.
DISCUSSION
Sanborn - Says they need to consider the tradeoffs in the real world issue, not just cave in because they used the word environment. He says there will be very little plastic saved, but instead people will get in fossil fuel burning vehicles to drop off bags where fossil fuel burning vehicles will take the bags somewhere else. He says in exchange for those "benefits" they make the community angry and others are simply amused and say "there goes the Madison City Council again". Says not one person has ever been ticketed with the current recycling ordinance for plastic bottles etc. He says we won't ever have a plastic bag police, so what message do we send, we have some laws that are suggestions and others we enforce and how do people know which are which. Says we should have a higher standard before we substitute our judgement for others.
ROLL CALL
NO: Sanborn
ABSENT: Bruer, Pham-Remmele
AYE: Everyone else.
[Several people have asked me where Pham-Remmele was. She spent some time out in the hallway talking to the people on the Tocora Bike lane issue and wasn't seen again before they adjourned. She didn't storm out or leave, but she didn't do her job on the rest of the items on the agenda, either and people said she was in the restroom.]
#100 - DISPATCH CONTRACT
Motion to adopt. Clear explains that 30 day extension is needed because the contract is up at the end of the month and there are no more meetings before that.
Kerr says this has been an important issue and asks where this stands overall, understands why extension, but asks for an update. Plant says that Chief Wray, Chief Amesqua, City Attorney and mayor's office working with county, identified issues, have language, agreed to start drafting, got very close to agreed upon language that was going back and forth but as new director was being hired and they wanted his opinion. They've talked to the new director and they are going over the final agreement, says that the lastest they will come back is August 7.
DISCUSSION
Skidmore says it is not soup yet but very close. Supports the extension but is confident they are close to a good agreement.
Motion passes unanimously on a voice vote.
INTRODUCTIONS FROM FLOOR
King - Introduces a resolution by title only about the concern about closure of Madison Multi-Cultural Center and expressing the City's interest in collaborating to continue services. Bidar-Sielaff and Kerr ask to be co-sponsors. No objections to introducing by title only and they record unanimous vote.
Clear wishes Ald. Clausisus good luck with knee replacement surgery tomorrow and moves to adjourn.
Meeting is over at 9:02 or so - with a somewhat stunned and relieved Common Council. See here to find out why.
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Tuesday, June 16, 2009
Zoning Code Rewrite - Council Briefing Recap
Only 6 or 7 alders were present at 5:30 when they it was supposed to start (Clear, Kerr, Palm, King, Skidmore, Bidar-Sielaff and Schmidt) and a few more drifted in (Rummel, Maniaci) and a few more even later (Compton) and after 6:10 (Clausius).
If you're trying to figure out how to get caught up, they have a very comprehensive website that will help you, if you have the time to read the documents!
There are a ton of meetings next week as well, if you'd like to find out more:
They introduced Carole Schaeffer of Smart Growth Madison and Brian Munson of Vandewalle and Associates that represents many developers. Rick Roll, the Project Manager, reviewed some history starting with the comprehensive plan, the project timeline and some other basics. There were some handouts for the alders, but I didn't see them.
Kerr asked what was being done to publicize the meetings next month. They said they sent the information out today and that the Mayor will be doing a press release in the next day or two. [I think she was trying to point out that one week notice was not enough, but that wasn't really addressed.]
Matt Tucker, the Zoning Administrator explained the old zoning districts and the direction that they were moving in (more specific districts in some residential neighborhoods) and explained the new terminology. Generally speaking the ordinance will be more charts with easily identifiable information, instead of long paragraphs of text. The showed examples of the graphics that will be in the ordinance, that also were more demonstrative of information they are trying to convey. He showed the Neighborhood Mixed-Use and Traditional Shopping Street that should replace some of the need for PUDs (Planned Unit Developments - that require more approval process). He showed an example of standards and guidelines that would be considered by committees and a chart that showed why types of building materials should be used. Overall, it was just much easier to read.
Maniaci asked about granny flats (accessory dwelling units) and cooperative housing as well as fraternities and sororities. I missed some of the answer, but I think he said accessory dwelling units will be determined neighborhood by neighborhood, cooperative housing will be talked about next Tuesday at the Zoning Code Rewrite Advisory Committee (ZCRAC) and the lodging houses (fraternities/sororities) will be talked about more at a later point with the Downtown portion.
Rummel asked how we ended up with more zoning districts instead of fewer. He said that yes they ended up with more districts, because it was easier to put the current conditions into more districts instead of fewer. Rummel also asked about losing the PUD process. Tucker says PUD is a last resort as drafted and if we do it right, some districts should be "enabling the development that should be built". He said that the neighborhood plans have a more firm position in the ordinance. He also said that you will still see rezonings, because they will be between zoning districts instead of to PUDs.
Compton asked about letter from Jeff Rosenberg (Veridian Homes), which staff just saw tonight. I don't know what the issues were, staff said they were still working on the issues. Compton asked about correspondence from other developers, he said there was quite a bit. He said that they did reach out to larger land holders to bring them to the table and see how it might impact them to avoid "hurt feelings" in the future.
Maniaci asked how the existing neighborhood plans would be updated. Tucker says neighborhood plans are just guidelines. Kerr clarifies question for Maniaci. Tucker says that the documents may have to be revisited, and they will know more when they get to the mapping of the zoning code. He says there is going to have to be alot of communication with the people who live in the areas being zoned.
Clear asked about waterfront properties. Tucker said that they tried to address issues that have come up with tearing down smaller houses and building bigger houses and they are trying to address this by relating size of house to the size of the lot. He said they would use a median of the area and they would be restricted to no more than 1.5 the median to recognize that that houses are getting bigger. He says its a good start, but made it clear it is a start. He also pointed out that most waterfront development is residential and they have a hard time when there is commercial development and they tried to address that as well.
Kerr said glad taking on waterfront development. She also praised Matt Tucker, Rick Roll and Brad Murphy for their hard and thoughtful work on this. She also asked about student rental housing and how they would promote family living in near downtown neighborhoods and how to preserve the "signature" neighborhoods. Tucker said the "unrelated" people who can live in a certain zoning category is being carried over from the old code. Tucker says there are more units being converted to single family homes instead of cut up apartments buildings. He says they are open to suggestions on how to work more on that. He is looking for ideas.
Clear invited Schaeffer and Munson to comment. Schaeffer, representing real estate develop and associated industries, said that they get bogged down in the minutia and they haven't really been able to address some things because of the shear volume of people on the community and had a list of issues that she felt haven't been addressed. She said she is concerned about what entity will address some of the details.
Munson said he isn't a member of ZCRAC, but he has attended representing Veridian Homes and mentioned the letter from Jeff Rosenberg again and tried to summarize the concerns including that the traditional neighborhood zoning has some hurdles in it that will make development difficult. He says that some of it is very complex and detailed and that they have some very specific and technical concerns. He wants to encourage more urban forms and says that there are many areas of the city that don't fit into the proposed zoning code.
Discussion ended around 6:20.
[I didn't proofread, so I hope this all makes sense as I hit publish.]
The council meeting recap is here. Insanity is here.
Read more!
If you're trying to figure out how to get caught up, they have a very comprehensive website that will help you, if you have the time to read the documents!
There are a ton of meetings next week as well, if you'd like to find out more:
Monday, June 22, 2009 - 5:30p.m.
Zoning Code Rewrite Community Summit
Overture Center - Promenade Hall and Terrace
Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 5:30p.m.
Zoning Code Rewrite Advisory Committee
Central Library
201 West Mifflin Street
Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 5:30p.m.
Warner Park Community and Recreation Center
1625 Northport Drive
Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 5:30p.m.
Sequoya Library
4340 Tokay Boulevard
They introduced Carole Schaeffer of Smart Growth Madison and Brian Munson of Vandewalle and Associates that represents many developers. Rick Roll, the Project Manager, reviewed some history starting with the comprehensive plan, the project timeline and some other basics. There were some handouts for the alders, but I didn't see them.
Kerr asked what was being done to publicize the meetings next month. They said they sent the information out today and that the Mayor will be doing a press release in the next day or two. [I think she was trying to point out that one week notice was not enough, but that wasn't really addressed.]
Matt Tucker, the Zoning Administrator explained the old zoning districts and the direction that they were moving in (more specific districts in some residential neighborhoods) and explained the new terminology. Generally speaking the ordinance will be more charts with easily identifiable information, instead of long paragraphs of text. The showed examples of the graphics that will be in the ordinance, that also were more demonstrative of information they are trying to convey. He showed the Neighborhood Mixed-Use and Traditional Shopping Street that should replace some of the need for PUDs (Planned Unit Developments - that require more approval process). He showed an example of standards and guidelines that would be considered by committees and a chart that showed why types of building materials should be used. Overall, it was just much easier to read.
Maniaci asked about granny flats (accessory dwelling units) and cooperative housing as well as fraternities and sororities. I missed some of the answer, but I think he said accessory dwelling units will be determined neighborhood by neighborhood, cooperative housing will be talked about next Tuesday at the Zoning Code Rewrite Advisory Committee (ZCRAC) and the lodging houses (fraternities/sororities) will be talked about more at a later point with the Downtown portion.
Rummel asked how we ended up with more zoning districts instead of fewer. He said that yes they ended up with more districts, because it was easier to put the current conditions into more districts instead of fewer. Rummel also asked about losing the PUD process. Tucker says PUD is a last resort as drafted and if we do it right, some districts should be "enabling the development that should be built". He said that the neighborhood plans have a more firm position in the ordinance. He also said that you will still see rezonings, because they will be between zoning districts instead of to PUDs.
Compton asked about letter from Jeff Rosenberg (Veridian Homes), which staff just saw tonight. I don't know what the issues were, staff said they were still working on the issues. Compton asked about correspondence from other developers, he said there was quite a bit. He said that they did reach out to larger land holders to bring them to the table and see how it might impact them to avoid "hurt feelings" in the future.
Maniaci asked how the existing neighborhood plans would be updated. Tucker says neighborhood plans are just guidelines. Kerr clarifies question for Maniaci. Tucker says that the documents may have to be revisited, and they will know more when they get to the mapping of the zoning code. He says there is going to have to be alot of communication with the people who live in the areas being zoned.
Clear asked about waterfront properties. Tucker said that they tried to address issues that have come up with tearing down smaller houses and building bigger houses and they are trying to address this by relating size of house to the size of the lot. He said they would use a median of the area and they would be restricted to no more than 1.5 the median to recognize that that houses are getting bigger. He says its a good start, but made it clear it is a start. He also pointed out that most waterfront development is residential and they have a hard time when there is commercial development and they tried to address that as well.
Kerr said glad taking on waterfront development. She also praised Matt Tucker, Rick Roll and Brad Murphy for their hard and thoughtful work on this. She also asked about student rental housing and how they would promote family living in near downtown neighborhoods and how to preserve the "signature" neighborhoods. Tucker said the "unrelated" people who can live in a certain zoning category is being carried over from the old code. Tucker says there are more units being converted to single family homes instead of cut up apartments buildings. He says they are open to suggestions on how to work more on that. He is looking for ideas.
Clear invited Schaeffer and Munson to comment. Schaeffer, representing real estate develop and associated industries, said that they get bogged down in the minutia and they haven't really been able to address some things because of the shear volume of people on the community and had a list of issues that she felt haven't been addressed. She said she is concerned about what entity will address some of the details.
Munson said he isn't a member of ZCRAC, but he has attended representing Veridian Homes and mentioned the letter from Jeff Rosenberg again and tried to summarize the concerns including that the traditional neighborhood zoning has some hurdles in it that will make development difficult. He says that some of it is very complex and detailed and that they have some very specific and technical concerns. He wants to encourage more urban forms and says that there are many areas of the city that don't fit into the proposed zoning code.
Discussion ended around 6:20.
[I didn't proofread, so I hope this all makes sense as I hit publish.]
The council meeting recap is here. Insanity is here.
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Declining Council Decorum
The last few council meetings have been something just short of chaotic. I've been trying to put my finger on just exactly why and how it happened. Here's an observation from someone I know has watched MANY council meetings over the years.
After watching some of the County Board meetings and the Plan Commission meeting last night, I am struck by how much more professional they seem. I think knowing Robert's Rules of Order and following them is one place to start. Perhaps the Council needs a refresher course in how Robert's Rules is supposed to be used. Second, I think they need a reminder of their own procedures and what order they conduct business in. It's pretty easy. 1. Motion. 2. Public Testimony 3. Questions of Registrants (sometimes the motion comes later but I think the motion should be on the floor before the item is taken up) 4. Questions of Staff 5. Discussion/Additional Motions/Vote. Third, I think just some common courtesy and respect would go a long way.
I think following Robert's Rules and their own procedures would help immensely. I guess the main responsibility for making that happens lies with the chair of the meetings and the council leadership. Let's hope they're willing to work on this, because quite frankly, I think several members of the Council, particularly newer ones, were embarrassed after the last few meetings. If the Mayor and council leadership don't get a grip on it, I think the alders need to start using Robert's Rules to bring the body back to order, which could be done with a variety of motions from the floor and the alders could also just set a different tone by talking (to each other, without the floor) less, paying attention and just exercising some basic courtesy.
Meanwhile, let's hope tonight is a little less crazy and painful to watch and respectful of the City as a whole.
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June 3, 2009
All Alders
Madison, WI
Dear Alders:
I am writing you to express my concern in regards to the declining decorum at some of the most recent Common Council meetings. Last night I tuned in as I do on most Tuesday evenings to watch my city government and tax dollars at work and ended the evening highly frustrated, not with what was decided but how those decisions played out in front of the camera.
The council use to follow a strict set of meeting rules, speakers were given their allotted amount of time to speak, and if they went over they were reminded of the time limit and then a motion was moved to give them more time. Recently this seems to be ignored and speakers are allowed to go on well past their time. I am not saying loosening of this rule is a bad thing necessarily , but it can start a slippery slope of people feeling slighted when it’s enforced on them, and not on others.
As a City Channel viewer there comes a host of problems with a breakdown of decorum in the council chambers that is maybe not so obvious to a person in attendance at the meeting but is extremely frustrating while watching online or TV. Some examples from last night are as follows:
· Last night during the Turner’s debate, there was no line between questioning registrants, staff questions and debate it made the whole process extremely hard to follow.
· Hijacking of an alders mic while she was asking questions of staff.
· The amount of questions and talking at alders by other alders, while they have the floor is frustrating and makes it seems like the meetings are out of control. It use to be, alders did not address other alders but addressed the Chair.
· Discussions going on around alders that currently have the floor to speak.
· The change of tone of the meeting when the Mayor yields the chair to the President of the Common Council. The meeting seems to lose even more decorum.
· Meetings that do not start on time. Tuning in at 6:30 to watch a blue screen for at least 10 mins is a waste of everyone’s time. I think that at 6:30, the camera’s should go live, so that we the citizens at home can see what the meeting delays are.
I would like all of you to please reflect on your meeting behaviors, the longer this goes unchecked the worse it is going to get and harder it will be to fix in the future. Please remember these meetings are not just your meetings, they are ours (citizens) also.
Sincerely,
Amy L. Westra
After watching some of the County Board meetings and the Plan Commission meeting last night, I am struck by how much more professional they seem. I think knowing Robert's Rules of Order and following them is one place to start. Perhaps the Council needs a refresher course in how Robert's Rules is supposed to be used. Second, I think they need a reminder of their own procedures and what order they conduct business in. It's pretty easy. 1. Motion. 2. Public Testimony 3. Questions of Registrants (sometimes the motion comes later but I think the motion should be on the floor before the item is taken up) 4. Questions of Staff 5. Discussion/Additional Motions/Vote. Third, I think just some common courtesy and respect would go a long way.
I think following Robert's Rules and their own procedures would help immensely. I guess the main responsibility for making that happens lies with the chair of the meetings and the council leadership. Let's hope they're willing to work on this, because quite frankly, I think several members of the Council, particularly newer ones, were embarrassed after the last few meetings. If the Mayor and council leadership don't get a grip on it, I think the alders need to start using Robert's Rules to bring the body back to order, which could be done with a variety of motions from the floor and the alders could also just set a different tone by talking (to each other, without the floor) less, paying attention and just exercising some basic courtesy.
Meanwhile, let's hope tonight is a little less crazy and painful to watch and respectful of the City as a whole.
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Getting Things Done
I guess elected officials can try to legislate through the media, or they can do the actual work to create and introduce resolutions and ordinances and get things done through the legislative process. Both can be effective, but when you vocally criticize others for not doing anything or having misplaced priorities, you probably should have a decent record yourself. So, I looked up Alder Thuy Pham-Remmele's record to see how she's doing.
So, first of all, here's the numbers on what the 2007 rookies, now sophmores, have introduced.
That's not bad for a rookie, that's somewhat to be expected. However, for someone who complains non-stop about people wasting her time and her frustration with the lack of action, she sure isn't doing much to make things happen and does not much but complain about others. As I see it, she's good at flashy media and complaining that no one is doing anything and what people are doing is wrong, but it pretty much ends there. Of course nothing is going to happen if you aren't sponsoring resolutions and ordinances and otherwise working towards solutions.
Now, I know she gets credit for the 30 new police officers, but by her own admission, that's not helping solve the problems she wanted solved. Mostly because I think she went after the wrong solution for the problems she was trying to resolve - noise and quality of life issues in the neighborhood. In an odd way, I think I agree with Tim Morrissey (gasp!) here about her ineffective tactics - noisy neighborhood meetings and haranguing from the soap-box. Those aren't going to get to the root problems - which have yet to be identified.
Oddly enough, she also didn't advocate to have the police resources she is credited with obtaining used in her own district in an ongoing basis. So, the police got 30 new officers, but Pham-Remmele got no commitment that they would work on the issues that she was raising.
Now, I don't disagree that we need to pay more attention to so-called "emerging neighborhoods". And I don't disagree that we want people following the law. But, I think sometimes, we get the solutions wrong. And in the case of the 30 police officers, there was absolutely NO public discussion about alternatives and those of us who sought data and assurances that this huge public expense was cost effective and would solve the problems identified were chastised and subsequently targeted.
Now, where are we? We have 30 police officers and the same problems. I challenge Alder Pham-Remmele to take a step back, host some real, inclusive community discussions about the problems that go beyond a media hit and to listen to others about alternative possible solutions, and then work on those solutions. The rookie term is over and Pham-Remmele is a very intelligent woman, hopefully, she can be constructive in moving towards other solutions with all of the people who live in the neighborhoods she is so concerned about.
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So, first of all, here's the numbers on what the 2007 rookies, now sophmores, have introduced.
Rummel - 207Numbers alone don't tell the whole story, so I looked at the 119 items that Alder Pham-Remmele has sponsored and they include:
Clausius - 181
Schumacher - 177
Solomon - 162
Rhodes-Conway - 143
Pham-Remmele - 119
Clear - 98
Kerr - 93
Judge - 56
- 31 Routine items she would sponsor as a result of being on the CDBG CommissionAs far as I could see, she was the lead, and really worked on two items so far. The first being the Alder's salary item and the second being her recent attempt to raise fines for trespassing and panhandling. Most of the other items, were routine or in the works when she took office and she merely finished up or she just put her name on something others were working on or committees did.
- 26 Routine items she would sponsor as a result of being on the Vending Oversight Committee
- 20 Commending resolutions or items like "Girl Scouts Week"
- 12 Routine items for her district (7 Routine Board of Public Works items for her district, 5 Miscellaneous routine items for her district) plus
- 3 Items for funding for projects in the SW Neighborhoods
- 10 Budget Amendments (7 2009 Budget Amendments, 3 2008 Budget Amendments)
- 8 Miscellaneous Items (DCR routine resolution, Smoke Alarm Ordinance, Ordinance about Alder's being able to turn in their salaries, item about Monona Terrace Booking, Gypsy Moths and restricting elections workers, Resolution urging the passage of the state budget and an ordinance about street graphics)
- 7 Items for the Police Department (Chronic Nuisance Ordinance, Loitering in Child Safety Zones, Ordinance banning fake guns, $100,000 budget amendment for Safety Initiatives, Curfew, Increasing Fines for Unlawful Trespass and Panhandling, Authorizing 6 more police officers) - Only one of which she was the lead sponsor, she only put her name on items others had worked on.
That's not bad for a rookie, that's somewhat to be expected. However, for someone who complains non-stop about people wasting her time and her frustration with the lack of action, she sure isn't doing much to make things happen and does not much but complain about others. As I see it, she's good at flashy media and complaining that no one is doing anything and what people are doing is wrong, but it pretty much ends there. Of course nothing is going to happen if you aren't sponsoring resolutions and ordinances and otherwise working towards solutions.
Now, I know she gets credit for the 30 new police officers, but by her own admission, that's not helping solve the problems she wanted solved. Mostly because I think she went after the wrong solution for the problems she was trying to resolve - noise and quality of life issues in the neighborhood. In an odd way, I think I agree with Tim Morrissey (gasp!) here about her ineffective tactics - noisy neighborhood meetings and haranguing from the soap-box. Those aren't going to get to the root problems - which have yet to be identified.
Oddly enough, she also didn't advocate to have the police resources she is credited with obtaining used in her own district in an ongoing basis. So, the police got 30 new officers, but Pham-Remmele got no commitment that they would work on the issues that she was raising.
Now, I don't disagree that we need to pay more attention to so-called "emerging neighborhoods". And I don't disagree that we want people following the law. But, I think sometimes, we get the solutions wrong. And in the case of the 30 police officers, there was absolutely NO public discussion about alternatives and those of us who sought data and assurances that this huge public expense was cost effective and would solve the problems identified were chastised and subsequently targeted.
Now, where are we? We have 30 police officers and the same problems. I challenge Alder Pham-Remmele to take a step back, host some real, inclusive community discussions about the problems that go beyond a media hit and to listen to others about alternative possible solutions, and then work on those solutions. The rookie term is over and Pham-Remmele is a very intelligent woman, hopefully, she can be constructive in moving towards other solutions with all of the people who live in the neighborhoods she is so concerned about.
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Monday, June 15, 2009
Brief Plan Commission Recap
So, I watched it on TV, therefore missed a little, and there wasn't all that much to report. Just a few interesting points for the geeks among us.
SHADY WOOD NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT PLAN
I was at work til 6:00 so missed everything except some questions of staff and the comments by the members of the Commission. They are sending it back to the council with the same recommendation to approve A and refer B & C for 6 months. Lots of comments about this being less than ideal, wishing it had been done in a different way, comments about hoping it doesn't happen this way again, etc. etc. End result the same, Cnare opposes because this is not the way we should plan, but it passes. Pleas by commission members to not send another plan to them this way are supported by at least some members who voted yes.
FIRST CONSERVATION DISTRICT REPORT!
Staff explain that this is just the report that gets them to move on to do a study of the Dewey Court/Schley Pass/East Wilson area to decide if there are characteristics of the neighborhood that should be preserved through a conservation district. Some questions about the lack of responses to the surveys and concerns about not being able to demolish dilapidated housing. Staff explained that the conservation district is not a historic district and shouldn't affect demolition, it just affects what would be built or rebuilt. One neighbor in support explained that he didn't respond to the survey because it came out the day after Thanksgiving and was due the day after Christmas. Some also speculated that perhaps people didn't think that they had to turn in the survey because it had been talked about for so many years. I believe one person voted no, but I don't know who but it sounded like a male voice.
CONSENT AGENDA
The following items all passed on the consent agenda without comment 5, 6, 7, 9, 11, 12, 14, 16 & 17. With 13 being referred. The items are all here.
BADGER BUS
There was a presentation by the developers and the folks from the bus depot. Comments from the public. Several speakers appeared to speak against removing the only intercity bus facility in Madison and that in a few years, it could have more value than it has now. The bus owners said that bus terminals are no longer needed by the public, because people buy tickets on line. [This kinda worries me as people who rely on the buses tend to be lower income and less likely to have the internet access that most of us enjoy.] There seemed to be a possibility that Kelly Williamson might sell tickets at their gas station. The neighborhood said this wasn't where they wanted a bus station in their plan and that they wanted it across the street. Only a few people actually talked about the building. Verveer and neighborhood in support with a few concerns. Motion was to approve with the additional conditions:
Gruber added these conditions.
1. Proof of financing and contract with construction firm prior to demolition permits being issued.
2. Windows on 1st floor can only have window shades or drapes and no other coverings and should be clear glass.
3. Drive through approved separately.
Cnare make a motion to add to his condition number 2:
Street facing windows may not be blocked by more than 25% by product or promotional or other paper materials. Gruber wanted 10%, Cnare negotiated for 20%. It became a friendly amendment
Bowser added that:
4. Applicant work with John Leach on turn on to W. Washington.
Olson added that:
5. 1 bike parking stall per bedroom.
Schumacher asked how many bedrooms - answer 113. Staff suggested 1 per unit (82) as required by zoning code and additional space could be provided in other ways (walls behind parking stalls, storage rooms, etc in addition to storage racks). Judy says that was her intent, that seemed friendly.
There was some discussion that the issues of where the city puts the bus station is not appropriate to be discussed with a PUD application. [I guess the question then is, when is it appropriate?] However, the motion passed unanimously.
[Gruber made an annoying comment that Plan Commission is only advisory to the Council, but that isn't true. The demolition decision is theirs alone. I really wish people who should know better didn't repeat the spin.]
AUTUMN LAKE
Judy Olson had questions about storm water and "adverse conditions" for ground water since the project was initially approved and she wanted to know what changed. She said it was especially important because of the intense development. Applicant answered the question, not staff. They say that they have already installed ground water monitoring wells, and that they could do a plan if this doesn't work and they would notify homeowners if necessary after that. It sounded like staff signed off on this plan. The applicant said the reason for the sensitivity was because the City did sanitary sewer project and an interceptor and they incurred ground water issues in constructing that project. Olson continued to ask questions about the if the Lake had anything to do with the sanitary interceptor. Don Esposito (Veridian) said that water tables have risen all over the county. Esposito said that this is not the right time to worry about the groundwater and there will be other things that will impact it. He said they were the only developer in Dane County that offers 100% dry basement guarantee and they take that very seriously.
Unanimously approved on a voice vote.
MALT HOUSE OUTDOOR EATING AREA
Ok with all the conditions (20 or so) except repaving the parking lot, as he does not own the property and landlord won't do it. Would cost $5 - 6K. Outside area would seat 30 people but he isn't asking for increase in capacity for his establishment. Gruber asked if they had authority to remove those conditions, staff didn't know if the commission had authority or if it was statute. Murphy suggested they express their intent so that if there is discretion the Zoning administrator would know which way to go. Boll points out that the code is pointed out in the email late this afternoon. Murphy says they haven't spoken to the city attorney's office. Boll makes motion to refer to get opinion of city attorney's office to find out what plan commission authority is. Olson makes substitute to approve with conditions. She says if they wait two weeks it will be July and by then hard to get the work done. Thinks it will be quicker. Cnare wants improvements to corner and thinks it should be done. Schumacher says applicant hasn't applied to ALRC, applicant says he already has approval. Motion passed with Basford, Gruber, Olson and Cnare. Bowser, Boll and Schumacher against.
Olson adds a condition that Plan Commission does not believe that the request for outside seating should not invoke the requirement for the parking lot to be paved and striped. Several members asked several questions about what they could and could not do and Murphy gave his best bureaucratic non-answer. Boll suggests that the bureaucratic nightmare that might ensue if it isn't resolved by the plan commission might be worse than the two week delay he originally suggested. [I love Boll!] Olson says she is torn, but thinks Boll makes a good point, is willing to withdraw. Basford moves to reconsider previous motion, staff points out the next meeting is in 3 weeks, motion to reconsider passes unanimously. Motion makes a motion to refer to next plan commission and get info from city attorney, traffic engineering and zoning administrator about what their authority is. [This should have all been resolved before it got to the plan commission.]
They then went back to items they skipped at the beginning of the meeting, special and routine items 2 & 3 which are here. They appointed no one to Long Range Tranportation Planning Commission, but will check with Hiefitz.
They did not have a zoning code rewrite committee update. Staff gave tehm alternative dates where they could get caught up and suggested that they schedule a special meeting. [Schumacher, made suggestions that made it clear he hasn't read his materials, very annoying.] It sounded like they were leaning towards the 29th or they might just keep it on their agenda, but who knows. They spent so much time discussing this that they could have probably just had the discussion.
Items 2 & 3 passed without discussion.
No business by members.
Memo noted on the agenda for communications. Fey noted EIS statements sent to her in her Joint SW Campus committee
Secretaries report - see list of upcoming items.
No announcements.
Boll moved adjournment with a heartfelt apology to the bureaucrats and they adjourned.
Just an interesting note - the women on the committee really dominated the discussion tonight.
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SHADY WOOD NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT PLAN
I was at work til 6:00 so missed everything except some questions of staff and the comments by the members of the Commission. They are sending it back to the council with the same recommendation to approve A and refer B & C for 6 months. Lots of comments about this being less than ideal, wishing it had been done in a different way, comments about hoping it doesn't happen this way again, etc. etc. End result the same, Cnare opposes because this is not the way we should plan, but it passes. Pleas by commission members to not send another plan to them this way are supported by at least some members who voted yes.
FIRST CONSERVATION DISTRICT REPORT!
Staff explain that this is just the report that gets them to move on to do a study of the Dewey Court/Schley Pass/East Wilson area to decide if there are characteristics of the neighborhood that should be preserved through a conservation district. Some questions about the lack of responses to the surveys and concerns about not being able to demolish dilapidated housing. Staff explained that the conservation district is not a historic district and shouldn't affect demolition, it just affects what would be built or rebuilt. One neighbor in support explained that he didn't respond to the survey because it came out the day after Thanksgiving and was due the day after Christmas. Some also speculated that perhaps people didn't think that they had to turn in the survey because it had been talked about for so many years. I believe one person voted no, but I don't know who but it sounded like a male voice.
CONSENT AGENDA
The following items all passed on the consent agenda without comment 5, 6, 7, 9, 11, 12, 14, 16 & 17. With 13 being referred. The items are all here.
BADGER BUS
There was a presentation by the developers and the folks from the bus depot. Comments from the public. Several speakers appeared to speak against removing the only intercity bus facility in Madison and that in a few years, it could have more value than it has now. The bus owners said that bus terminals are no longer needed by the public, because people buy tickets on line. [This kinda worries me as people who rely on the buses tend to be lower income and less likely to have the internet access that most of us enjoy.] There seemed to be a possibility that Kelly Williamson might sell tickets at their gas station. The neighborhood said this wasn't where they wanted a bus station in their plan and that they wanted it across the street. Only a few people actually talked about the building. Verveer and neighborhood in support with a few concerns. Motion was to approve with the additional conditions:
Gruber added these conditions.
1. Proof of financing and contract with construction firm prior to demolition permits being issued.
2. Windows on 1st floor can only have window shades or drapes and no other coverings and should be clear glass.
3. Drive through approved separately.
Cnare make a motion to add to his condition number 2:
Street facing windows may not be blocked by more than 25% by product or promotional or other paper materials. Gruber wanted 10%, Cnare negotiated for 20%. It became a friendly amendment
Bowser added that:
4. Applicant work with John Leach on turn on to W. Washington.
Olson added that:
5. 1 bike parking stall per bedroom.
Schumacher asked how many bedrooms - answer 113. Staff suggested 1 per unit (82) as required by zoning code and additional space could be provided in other ways (walls behind parking stalls, storage rooms, etc in addition to storage racks). Judy says that was her intent, that seemed friendly.
There was some discussion that the issues of where the city puts the bus station is not appropriate to be discussed with a PUD application. [I guess the question then is, when is it appropriate?] However, the motion passed unanimously.
[Gruber made an annoying comment that Plan Commission is only advisory to the Council, but that isn't true. The demolition decision is theirs alone. I really wish people who should know better didn't repeat the spin.]
AUTUMN LAKE
Judy Olson had questions about storm water and "adverse conditions" for ground water since the project was initially approved and she wanted to know what changed. She said it was especially important because of the intense development. Applicant answered the question, not staff. They say that they have already installed ground water monitoring wells, and that they could do a plan if this doesn't work and they would notify homeowners if necessary after that. It sounded like staff signed off on this plan. The applicant said the reason for the sensitivity was because the City did sanitary sewer project and an interceptor and they incurred ground water issues in constructing that project. Olson continued to ask questions about the if the Lake had anything to do with the sanitary interceptor. Don Esposito (Veridian) said that water tables have risen all over the county. Esposito said that this is not the right time to worry about the groundwater and there will be other things that will impact it. He said they were the only developer in Dane County that offers 100% dry basement guarantee and they take that very seriously.
Unanimously approved on a voice vote.
MALT HOUSE OUTDOOR EATING AREA
Ok with all the conditions (20 or so) except repaving the parking lot, as he does not own the property and landlord won't do it. Would cost $5 - 6K. Outside area would seat 30 people but he isn't asking for increase in capacity for his establishment. Gruber asked if they had authority to remove those conditions, staff didn't know if the commission had authority or if it was statute. Murphy suggested they express their intent so that if there is discretion the Zoning administrator would know which way to go. Boll points out that the code is pointed out in the email late this afternoon. Murphy says they haven't spoken to the city attorney's office. Boll makes motion to refer to get opinion of city attorney's office to find out what plan commission authority is. Olson makes substitute to approve with conditions. She says if they wait two weeks it will be July and by then hard to get the work done. Thinks it will be quicker. Cnare wants improvements to corner and thinks it should be done. Schumacher says applicant hasn't applied to ALRC, applicant says he already has approval. Motion passed with Basford, Gruber, Olson and Cnare. Bowser, Boll and Schumacher against.
Olson adds a condition that Plan Commission does not believe that the request for outside seating should not invoke the requirement for the parking lot to be paved and striped. Several members asked several questions about what they could and could not do and Murphy gave his best bureaucratic non-answer. Boll suggests that the bureaucratic nightmare that might ensue if it isn't resolved by the plan commission might be worse than the two week delay he originally suggested. [I love Boll!] Olson says she is torn, but thinks Boll makes a good point, is willing to withdraw. Basford moves to reconsider previous motion, staff points out the next meeting is in 3 weeks, motion to reconsider passes unanimously. Motion makes a motion to refer to next plan commission and get info from city attorney, traffic engineering and zoning administrator about what their authority is. [This should have all been resolved before it got to the plan commission.]
They then went back to items they skipped at the beginning of the meeting, special and routine items 2 & 3 which are here. They appointed no one to Long Range Tranportation Planning Commission, but will check with Hiefitz.
They did not have a zoning code rewrite committee update. Staff gave tehm alternative dates where they could get caught up and suggested that they schedule a special meeting. [Schumacher, made suggestions that made it clear he hasn't read his materials, very annoying.] It sounded like they were leaning towards the 29th or they might just keep it on their agenda, but who knows. They spent so much time discussing this that they could have probably just had the discussion.
Items 2 & 3 passed without discussion.
No business by members.
Memo noted on the agenda for communications. Fey noted EIS statements sent to her in her Joint SW Campus committee
Secretaries report - see list of upcoming items.
No announcements.
Boll moved adjournment with a heartfelt apology to the bureaucrats and they adjourned.
Just an interesting note - the women on the committee really dominated the discussion tonight.
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The Tid Bit Week Ahead
At the moment there are 25 meetings scheduled for this week, some slightly interesting tidbits . . . and then alot of the same.
Monday, June 15, 2009
1:00 PM CONTRACTED SERVICE OVERSIGHT SUBCOMMITTEE ROOM LL-110 MMB
- The agreement for what other cities, villages, towns pay the City of Madison for bus service. It's the closest thing we have to regional transit and has many of the partner organization representatives on the committee.
4:30 PM COMMITTEE ON THE ENVIRONMENT ROOM 108 CCB
- Requiring recycling of demolition and construction waste.
5:30 PM PLAN COMMISSION ROOM 201 CCB
- Shady Wood Neighborhood Development Plan - the plan the common council rejected at their last meeting.
- Possible update on the Zoning Code Rewrite special and overlay districts
- The first neighborhood conservation district (East Wilson/Schley Pass/Dewey Court)- its crazy it took this long, this was one of the items that Judy Olson worked on when she was on the council two terms ago.
- Demolition of Madison's only bus depot and new apartment buildings to be built.
- Re-approving Autumn Lake, which was so urgent to get passed 5 years ago . . . this is the second time the PUD has been renewed.
Tuesday, June 16, 2009
10:15 AM AFFIRMATIVE ACTION COMMISSION SUBCOMMITTEE ON SPONSORSHIP RESOLUTION ROOM LL-120 MMB
- Should certain committees be able to directly introduce something to the council for consideration.
5:30 PM COMMON COUNCIL - DISCUSSION ROOM 201 CCB
- Update on Zoning Code Rewrite (so far, I've found these to be useless, but we'll see if there is something better done this time. The attachments to the agenda are definitely useless.)
6:30 PM COMMON COUNCIL ROOM 201 CCB
Should be a short meeting . . . should be . . .
-#6 Thornton, Jenifer, Cantwell development project & 7
- #12 Autumn Lake - 5 years later.
- #13 More people reaching their 10 year limit (Look what's going to happen to the MDC board next time appointments come around!) & 14 with more people reaching their limit, and Dode Lowe! on the Personnel Board - I hope that shakes things up a bit!
- #16 Adding two more members to the Elections Advisory Board - this inspires a "why?".
- #17 Pay Raise for Al Schumacher, double what Larry Nelson got paid to do the same thing.
- #21 & 48 - Approving budget and accepting improvements for work already done at Monona Terrace
- #22 & 23 - Porchlight units rejected by Alder Kerr's district, not a peep from district 2.
- #30 - Warner Park Facilities Manager also now the Pool Manager
- #33, 34 & 35 - Fireworks
- #40 - Tocora Bike Path
- #59 - Plastic Bag Recycling
Wednesday, June 17, 2009
8:00 AM CENTRAL PARK DESIGN AND IMPLEMENTATION TASK FORCE ROOM LL-110 MMB
- Final action?? on master plan and report for the park (Of course, no materials are available linked to the agenda.)
4:30 PM HOUSING MERGER PLANNING AD HOC COMMITTEE ROOM LL-130 MMB
- Same agenda as always. Time marches on, no new plans for affordable housing. I hope I'm not saying this a year from now, but I won't be surprised if I am.
4:30 PM URBAN DESIGN COMMISSION ROOM LL-110 MMB
- Changes to the 600 E Johnson project (??)
5:30 PM ALCOHOL LICENSE REVIEW COMMITTEE ROOM 201 CCB
- The "Grid Iron" license, on of the one that is a license for dirt, discussed at the last council meeting.
- New liquor license for JT Whitneys (of interest to my musician friends)
Thursday, June 18, 2009
- Several meetings, but not much of great interest, seems as tho summer is taking over . . . all I have it the Tenant/Landlord Committee talking about the noise ordinance (?) which likely won't be all that interesting.
Friday, June 19, 2009
1:00 PM ALRC SUBCOMMITTEE ROOM 103A CCB
- The never ending discussion on what to do about restaurants that turn into bars at night.
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Monday, June 15, 2009
1:00 PM CONTRACTED SERVICE OVERSIGHT SUBCOMMITTEE ROOM LL-110 MMB
- The agreement for what other cities, villages, towns pay the City of Madison for bus service. It's the closest thing we have to regional transit and has many of the partner organization representatives on the committee.
4:30 PM COMMITTEE ON THE ENVIRONMENT ROOM 108 CCB
- Requiring recycling of demolition and construction waste.
5:30 PM PLAN COMMISSION ROOM 201 CCB
- Shady Wood Neighborhood Development Plan - the plan the common council rejected at their last meeting.
- Possible update on the Zoning Code Rewrite special and overlay districts
- The first neighborhood conservation district (East Wilson/Schley Pass/Dewey Court)- its crazy it took this long, this was one of the items that Judy Olson worked on when she was on the council two terms ago.
- Demolition of Madison's only bus depot and new apartment buildings to be built.
- Re-approving Autumn Lake, which was so urgent to get passed 5 years ago . . . this is the second time the PUD has been renewed.
Tuesday, June 16, 2009
10:15 AM AFFIRMATIVE ACTION COMMISSION SUBCOMMITTEE ON SPONSORSHIP RESOLUTION ROOM LL-120 MMB
- Should certain committees be able to directly introduce something to the council for consideration.
5:30 PM COMMON COUNCIL - DISCUSSION ROOM 201 CCB
- Update on Zoning Code Rewrite (so far, I've found these to be useless, but we'll see if there is something better done this time. The attachments to the agenda are definitely useless.)
6:30 PM COMMON COUNCIL ROOM 201 CCB
Should be a short meeting . . . should be . . .
-#6 Thornton, Jenifer, Cantwell development project & 7
- #12 Autumn Lake - 5 years later.
- #13 More people reaching their 10 year limit (Look what's going to happen to the MDC board next time appointments come around!) & 14 with more people reaching their limit, and Dode Lowe! on the Personnel Board - I hope that shakes things up a bit!
- #16 Adding two more members to the Elections Advisory Board - this inspires a "why?".
- #17 Pay Raise for Al Schumacher, double what Larry Nelson got paid to do the same thing.
- #21 & 48 - Approving budget and accepting improvements for work already done at Monona Terrace
- #22 & 23 - Porchlight units rejected by Alder Kerr's district, not a peep from district 2.
- #30 - Warner Park Facilities Manager also now the Pool Manager
- #33, 34 & 35 - Fireworks
- #40 - Tocora Bike Path
- #59 - Plastic Bag Recycling
Wednesday, June 17, 2009
8:00 AM CENTRAL PARK DESIGN AND IMPLEMENTATION TASK FORCE ROOM LL-110 MMB
- Final action?? on master plan and report for the park (Of course, no materials are available linked to the agenda.)
4:30 PM HOUSING MERGER PLANNING AD HOC COMMITTEE ROOM LL-130 MMB
- Same agenda as always. Time marches on, no new plans for affordable housing. I hope I'm not saying this a year from now, but I won't be surprised if I am.
4:30 PM URBAN DESIGN COMMISSION ROOM LL-110 MMB
- Changes to the 600 E Johnson project (??)
5:30 PM ALCOHOL LICENSE REVIEW COMMITTEE ROOM 201 CCB
- The "Grid Iron" license, on of the one that is a license for dirt, discussed at the last council meeting.
- New liquor license for JT Whitneys (of interest to my musician friends)
Thursday, June 18, 2009
- Several meetings, but not much of great interest, seems as tho summer is taking over . . . all I have it the Tenant/Landlord Committee talking about the noise ordinance (?) which likely won't be all that interesting.
Friday, June 19, 2009
1:00 PM ALRC SUBCOMMITTEE ROOM 103A CCB
- The never ending discussion on what to do about restaurants that turn into bars at night.
Read more!
Wednesday, June 10, 2009
Thursday Round Up
Thursday round up, round two this week. I'm not sure if it is lazy blogging or just still too much to blog about. But, here it is:
First, it turns out this post is mostly about the recent shooting and what to do about crime on the west side. It sounds like it was a terrible tragedy and that this young man had alot to offer and was well liked. I feel the need to say that my heart goes out to the family and friends for their loss. Anytime a young person dies it is a loss and I can't imagine their grief. And, it has to be all the worse because of the media and attention they are getting. I hope they get time to grieve and are left alone by the media, as much as possible.
That being said, this will have city-wide and political implications. Here's some of my random thoughts on this topic, and more.
IGNORING/RESPONDING TO BLASKA
First of all, I don't recommend anything the guy writes, we don't want to even click on it, it just encourages the the Isthmus to keep him around and . . . his writing is headache inducing and just predictable. Bottom line, is he blames liberals, progressives, the Captital Times, Progressive Dane and anyone left of Joe Lieberman with broad sweeping generalizations and of course, like any good right-wing blowhard, he just makes up his own "facts". All that being said, I do recommend reading this, a response over at Forward Our Motto. He offers constructive, concrete examples about what the City should do to address issues on the Westside, and it happens that I've attempted those same things, so I agree!
HERE'S SOMETHING THAT CONCERNS ME
Police didn't listen to this guy who was trying to tell them his kid was going to get shot? Wow, channel 3 got this is a pretty amazing statement:
HERE COMES 30 MORE POLICE OFFICERS
Watch your pocket, we might be getting another 30 police officers. Or whatever else the police department wants. Channel 3 also tells us that:
WHICH IS IT?
Mayor Dave's solution doesn't sound like it will be community services. He apparently has some other things in mind, according to the WSJ account:
IS "ALDER THUY" OUT OF TOUCH?
Here's what Alder Thuy says to the WSJ:
A DIFFERENT KIND OF CRIME
Ever heard of the word "rachmanism"?
What's odd is, neither have I, even after working with the Tenant Resource Center for 18 years as a volunteer, board member and staff.
Here's the definition:
A DEFENSE TO FORECLOSURE
I had heard that there were problems with the banks not having appropriate paperwork for foreclosure, but I am surprised it ends up being a viable defense. If you're being foreclosed on, you might want to try the three word defense, "produce the note".
LOBBYISTS, LOBBYISTS, LOBBYISTS
I've found over 100 violations in 2008, its worse than its been and I'm not done yet. Expense reports without registrations, completely missing registrations and expense reports for large (obvious!) projects, people reporting the wrong thing on their reports, etc, etc, etc . . . what to do? Should I just consider this a warning and hope they do better with their reports due in July? File a few very obvious (and ridiculous), very targeted complaints and get accused of favoritism or going after people I don't like? File complaints on a specific type of violation to get education one step at a time? Or, do all the work and file all the complaints to get the city attorney to pay attention to how bad it is? Funny, he doesn't mention all the violations in his annual reports, is he even looking at them? Should I try to find someone else to file the complaints? Should I let it go - I mean, why bother, I'm the only one who cares, right? Somehow I doubt it - but how can you care if you don't know what the violations are? I might be the only one who cares enough to check up on it. Perhaps some paid reporter out there could do the work to follow up?
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First, it turns out this post is mostly about the recent shooting and what to do about crime on the west side. It sounds like it was a terrible tragedy and that this young man had alot to offer and was well liked. I feel the need to say that my heart goes out to the family and friends for their loss. Anytime a young person dies it is a loss and I can't imagine their grief. And, it has to be all the worse because of the media and attention they are getting. I hope they get time to grieve and are left alone by the media, as much as possible.
That being said, this will have city-wide and political implications. Here's some of my random thoughts on this topic, and more.
IGNORING/RESPONDING TO BLASKA
First of all, I don't recommend anything the guy writes, we don't want to even click on it, it just encourages the the Isthmus to keep him around and . . . his writing is headache inducing and just predictable. Bottom line, is he blames liberals, progressives, the Captital Times, Progressive Dane and anyone left of Joe Lieberman with broad sweeping generalizations and of course, like any good right-wing blowhard, he just makes up his own "facts". All that being said, I do recommend reading this, a response over at Forward Our Motto. He offers constructive, concrete examples about what the City should do to address issues on the Westside, and it happens that I've attempted those same things, so I agree!
HERE'S SOMETHING THAT CONCERNS ME
Police didn't listen to this guy who was trying to tell them his kid was going to get shot? Wow, channel 3 got this is a pretty amazing statement:
A criminal complaint alleges that in February Collins Jr. and another student from Memorial High School got into a fight in the neighborhood. The complaint alleges that Karamee Collins Sr. pulled someone away who tried to stop the fight.When a drug dealer seeks out the police to tell them something, do you think he's lying?
Collins Jr. was charged with battery and his father was charged with contributing to the delinquency of a child.
But Collins Sr. said Wednesday that the fight didn't end there and that he believes the shooting was retaliation.
"Yeah (it was retaliation). And I was trying to tell police, and people don't believe me, because I sell drugs. I'm on camera saying it but, yeah it was."
But Madison police said Wednesday there is still no known motive and that they could not confirm the father's claim.
HERE COMES 30 MORE POLICE OFFICERS
Watch your pocket, we might be getting another 30 police officers. Or whatever else the police department wants. Channel 3 also tells us that:
Madison Mayor Dave Cieslewicz said he'll meet with neighborhood leaders, residents and police about growing violence.Hopefully, Mayor Dave will listen to this police officer and his solutions:
"We need some focus, to not only this neighborhood but throughout the city for some of the challenged neighborhoods, to provide programming, provide social workers, provide avenues for a way out for some of these young adults that really don't think that far into the future," Hanson said.Um, yeah, I think that is what some of us have been saying for years! Wouldn't it be amazing if instead of dumping $1 - 2 million into the police department budget, they dumped it into Community Services. Especially since Community Services get less than 10% of police department budget.
WHICH IS IT?
Mayor Dave's solution doesn't sound like it will be community services. He apparently has some other things in mind, according to the WSJ account:
Madison Mayor Dave Cieslewicz said Wednesday he will meet with neighborhood leaders, City Council members, school officials, police and community leaders to address public safety concerns.Or, according to the Channel 3 account?
“We need to address the access and availability of handguns,” the mayor said in a statement. But Cieslewicz said fear should be tempered with facts.
Madison Mayor Dave Cieslewicz said he'll meet with neighborhood leaders, residents and police about growing violence.Yeah, that doesn't sound like services and activities for youth is on his agenda.
"We need defined community standards that are enforced by the community. We need to continue to find ways to reduce anonymity and build a sense of community throughout our neighborhoods," Cieslewicz said in a statement.
IS "ALDER THUY" OUT OF TOUCH?
Here's what Alder Thuy says to the WSJ:
“This is nothing new,” Pham-Remmele said. “It’s not an overnight thing. I don’t want my constituents to be in the crossfire. We needed something drastic to happen to wake people up, and here it came. I wish it didn’t happen. The feeling here is very raw. People here are angry. They’re very frustrated.”Here's what the direct neighbors says and neighborhood president have to say:
Telah Thomas, who lives in the townhouse that the victim was trying to reach, said she also heard the gunshots Tuesday night just before Collins collapsed. Her daughter was standing outside with her shortly after the shooting.Or, for that matter, is Mayor Dave out of touch? His comments about building community seem to fly in the face of the Cynthia Johnson's comments above as well as the neighborhood association.
“It’s not like it happens over here regularly. The most you ever get is a noise complaint,” Thomas said. “But it’s still concerning since I’m a single mother with two kids and am also taking care of my nephew and niece.”
Cynthia Johnson, a neighborhood resident, called the crime “unbelievable” given the tight-knit nature of those who live there.
“We all hang out together,” Johnson said. “We all eat together. We all go to the park and barbecue together.”
Yet the murder brings all of that into question for Johnson, who said she now wants to leave the Meadowood neighborhood for the sake of her 7-year-old.
Still, the president of the Meadowood Neighborhood Association said the group has been working hard to boost community participation to solve problems. “Even though this was a tragic event, I see it as a citywide issue,” Lisa Veldran said. “I don’t see it as a neighborhood issue.
“I don’t know the answer to guns in the city. We can only do so much as neighbors. ... I don’t want fear to take over our neighborhood because we definitely don’t want to be fearful. We all stand together.”
A DIFFERENT KIND OF CRIME
Ever heard of the word "rachmanism"?
What's odd is, neither have I, even after working with the Tenant Resource Center for 18 years as a volunteer, board member and staff.
Here's the definition:
noun: The exploitation and intimidation of tenants by landlords.Who knew there was a word for that!
A DEFENSE TO FORECLOSURE
I had heard that there were problems with the banks not having appropriate paperwork for foreclosure, but I am surprised it ends up being a viable defense. If you're being foreclosed on, you might want to try the three word defense, "produce the note".
LOBBYISTS, LOBBYISTS, LOBBYISTS
I've found over 100 violations in 2008, its worse than its been and I'm not done yet. Expense reports without registrations, completely missing registrations and expense reports for large (obvious!) projects, people reporting the wrong thing on their reports, etc, etc, etc . . . what to do? Should I just consider this a warning and hope they do better with their reports due in July? File a few very obvious (and ridiculous), very targeted complaints and get accused of favoritism or going after people I don't like? File complaints on a specific type of violation to get education one step at a time? Or, do all the work and file all the complaints to get the city attorney to pay attention to how bad it is? Funny, he doesn't mention all the violations in his annual reports, is he even looking at them? Should I try to find someone else to file the complaints? Should I let it go - I mean, why bother, I'm the only one who cares, right? Somehow I doubt it - but how can you care if you don't know what the violations are? I might be the only one who cares enough to check up on it. Perhaps some paid reporter out there could do the work to follow up?
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Wednesday Round Up
Today is Friday for me, as I get to enjoy another 4 day weekend (Steel Bridge Music Festival in Door County!), then panic when I get back to work on Monday. So, here's a smattering of items to comment on, as my blog topic list grows and grows and grows and I can't get to it all!
STATE BUDGET - PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION TAKEN OUT OF BUDGET BY ASSEMBLY DEMOCRATS
So, according to the Wisconsin State Journal, the celebrating may have been premature. It matches what I was hearing, contrary to the Mayor's crowing about his great accomplishment after 5 years. You know, he claims he personally lobbied on this and takes credit for its resolution. Well, doesn't look so good according to this article:
They are asking all the right questions! But . . . um . . . I nearly started banging my head against the wall when I read that they were going to collect all this information themselves. I appreciate them being sensitive to staff, but this is about priorities!!! Seriously, it can be done and probably done quicker with volunteers that know what they are doing, but the data won't have as much credibility and it sends a really strange message about how important diversity is to the city. I guess what the City and Mayor are saying are that yes, those are important questions to ask, but apparently staff can't be bothered to gather the information. I guess it speaks volumes to the Mayor's commitment to diversity. Can you believe after talking about this for a few years, the Mayor's office doesn't even know if women, people of color and people with disabilities are even applying for the positions and can't share that information? I thought that part of the plan by Affirmative Action was outreach last year, how will they know if it is successful if they don't have a benchmark to measure it by?
OH, MANIACI
Yes, my first direct comments about her performance. I've been trying to keep an open mind, encourage her and give her an opportunity to find her way. However, I have some pretty major concerns that I hope she is working on and I just don't know about! But, um . . . shouldn't we know . . .
1. After attacking me throughout the campaign about not doing enough for the Johnson St. businesses, (after all 11 businesses left in the 8 years I was in office) it turns out, 2 businesses left in her first 2 months in office. Along with that we're losing Don Miller and lost the Madison Dairy. I haven't seen any public meetings or comments on listserves or any information about any of this from her. Not a peep. I'm more concerned about the E. Washington corridor and know that they are reviewing the proposals for marketing for the area, I hope she is working with the neighborhood to make sure we get the best group for the job!
2. For someone who talked so much about safety, she really blew it when she paved the way to stop the speed humps that were supposed to be getting installed by Tenney Park on Marston Avenue. Even tho the neighborhood surveys were in and they were approved by the residents that lived there by over 60%, she had them re-survey and the results ended up slanted by the absentee property owners/landlords. I sure hope no child gets injured in that area as a result.
3. The Edgewater. Psssst, wanna fill us in? What's going on, where's the community discussion? There should have been a public meeting before the students left for the summer. To make this decision over the summer without their input is not representing the students in her district very well. At this point, even if she delays this til they get back, the major discussions will have already been done and their ability to have an impact will be greatly diminished.
4. Already complaining? These are her comments from the Critical Badger blog about electronic voting:
Oh, there is more, but those are three major issues in the neighborhood that have me concerned and one observance.
CRITICAL BADGER
Ok - I know I'm a bit behind on a few topics I want to blog about, but what took the Critical Badger so long to respond to a month old story.
POLICE MEDIA STRATEGY AND RESPONSE TO SHOOTINGS
So, on the 5th, the police announce that they are going to have a press conference about the shootings. Since its Friday, a kinda bad press day, they decide to wait until Monday to appeal to the public to help the with this problem, and the next day, someone is dead. Maybe, just maybe, they should worry a little less about controlling their message and good placement in the media and more using the media to get information to and from the public. Talk about misplaced priorities! Meanwhile, they did manage to try to bury the story about their racial disparities in traffic stops - that's good enough news for a Friday.
DUH/MELANIE CONKLIN?!
First, the shocker! I didn't even know Melanie Conklin was still in the news business, I nearly fell off my chair when I saw she wrote this article!
Second, I'll just say duh. Housing. First. works. We just don't want to pay for it, even tho in the long run, it will likely cost us less.
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STATE BUDGET - PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION TAKEN OUT OF BUDGET BY ASSEMBLY DEMOCRATS
So, according to the Wisconsin State Journal, the celebrating may have been premature. It matches what I was hearing, contrary to the Mayor's crowing about his great accomplishment after 5 years. You know, he claims he personally lobbied on this and takes credit for its resolution. Well, doesn't look so good according to this article:
In votes behind closed doors late Tuesday night, Assembly Democrats voted to make several changes to the budget, said Rebekah Sweeney, spokeswoman for Assembly Speaker Mike Sherdian, D-Janesville.COMMUNITIES UNITED/PAT SCHNEIDER ON COMMITTEE DIVERSITY
The changes would delete budget provisions that would have: [snip]
• Resolved a long-running dispute over when housing units for seniors and low-income residents can receive tax breaks. The deleted provision has been vigorously sought by Madison non-profits who say they need it to keep providing housing to the poor.
They are asking all the right questions! But . . . um . . . I nearly started banging my head against the wall when I read that they were going to collect all this information themselves. I appreciate them being sensitive to staff, but this is about priorities!!! Seriously, it can be done and probably done quicker with volunteers that know what they are doing, but the data won't have as much credibility and it sends a really strange message about how important diversity is to the city. I guess what the City and Mayor are saying are that yes, those are important questions to ask, but apparently staff can't be bothered to gather the information. I guess it speaks volumes to the Mayor's commitment to diversity. Can you believe after talking about this for a few years, the Mayor's office doesn't even know if women, people of color and people with disabilities are even applying for the positions and can't share that information? I thought that part of the plan by Affirmative Action was outreach last year, how will they know if it is successful if they don't have a benchmark to measure it by?
OH, MANIACI
Yes, my first direct comments about her performance. I've been trying to keep an open mind, encourage her and give her an opportunity to find her way. However, I have some pretty major concerns that I hope she is working on and I just don't know about! But, um . . . shouldn't we know . . .
1. After attacking me throughout the campaign about not doing enough for the Johnson St. businesses, (after all 11 businesses left in the 8 years I was in office) it turns out, 2 businesses left in her first 2 months in office. Along with that we're losing Don Miller and lost the Madison Dairy. I haven't seen any public meetings or comments on listserves or any information about any of this from her. Not a peep. I'm more concerned about the E. Washington corridor and know that they are reviewing the proposals for marketing for the area, I hope she is working with the neighborhood to make sure we get the best group for the job!
2. For someone who talked so much about safety, she really blew it when she paved the way to stop the speed humps that were supposed to be getting installed by Tenney Park on Marston Avenue. Even tho the neighborhood surveys were in and they were approved by the residents that lived there by over 60%, she had them re-survey and the results ended up slanted by the absentee property owners/landlords. I sure hope no child gets injured in that area as a result.
3. The Edgewater. Psssst, wanna fill us in? What's going on, where's the community discussion? There should have been a public meeting before the students left for the summer. To make this decision over the summer without their input is not representing the students in her district very well. At this point, even if she delays this til they get back, the major discussions will have already been done and their ability to have an impact will be greatly diminished.
4. Already complaining? These are her comments from the Critical Badger blog about electronic voting:
Interesting… but (1) If this were my full time, living-expense paying job, I might have the time to work on this outside of all the other demands of the district at the moment (Maybe Steve King’s got some time for thisA much better answer would have been, I'll check with the City Attorney to see if we have the authority to do that. And the likely answer is no, no need to make excuses about time.jk….), so if you’d like to advocate for above-minimum wage, fair pay for your friendly local alder, awesome!
Oh, there is more, but those are three major issues in the neighborhood that have me concerned and one observance.
CRITICAL BADGER
Ok - I know I'm a bit behind on a few topics I want to blog about, but what took the Critical Badger so long to respond to a month old story.
POLICE MEDIA STRATEGY AND RESPONSE TO SHOOTINGS
So, on the 5th, the police announce that they are going to have a press conference about the shootings. Since its Friday, a kinda bad press day, they decide to wait until Monday to appeal to the public to help the with this problem, and the next day, someone is dead. Maybe, just maybe, they should worry a little less about controlling their message and good placement in the media and more using the media to get information to and from the public. Talk about misplaced priorities! Meanwhile, they did manage to try to bury the story about their racial disparities in traffic stops - that's good enough news for a Friday.
DUH/MELANIE CONKLIN?!
First, the shocker! I didn't even know Melanie Conklin was still in the news business, I nearly fell off my chair when I saw she wrote this article!
Second, I'll just say duh. Housing. First. works. We just don't want to pay for it, even tho in the long run, it will likely cost us less.
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Public Hearing on Poverty Tomorrow
The Poverty Task Force wants to hear from you!
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Notice of Listening Session on Poverty
Date & Time: June 11, 2009 – 11:15 AM; Location: Wil-Mar Neighborhood Center (953 Jenifer Street, Madison, WI)
The Poverty Task Force is convening a listening session to take public testimony on Poverty. Members of the public and other agencies are invited to attend. Areas of interest are:
1) What is working well?
2) Where are the greatest needs?
3) What can be done to strengthen your community that does not require funding?
4) What are the top priorities that require funding to improve your lives?
PLEASE NOTE:
1) Persons requiring an interpreter, materials in alternate format or other accommodations to access this meeting are encouraged to contact the Human Services Department at 288-2513 or TDD 242-7556 at least 72 hours prior to the meeting.
2) A quorum of the Task Force on Poverty may be present, but they will not convene or conduct any business.
3) This listening session may be attended by other Supervisors and may result in a quorum of another committee being in attendance, but they will not convene or conduct any business.
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Health Care Rally Today
Here's the details. I saw them making posters in the SJC conference room yesterday, not know knowing that Linda Farley had passed away, I often saw here there with that very same group.
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Health Care Demonstration Wednesday, June 10, 2009 at Noon, City-County Building
Contact: Ron Biendseil, rbiend@charter.net
PH: 608-836-1920 CELL: 608-712-6831
The citizens’ action group Organizing for America/Dane County Grassroots Network will conduct a demonstration in support of single-payer health care on June 10 at noon on the steps of the City-County Building, 210 Martin Luther King, Jr. Blvd., in Madison. The group is concerned that neither the Obama administration nor Congressional Democrats are giving serious consideration to a universal health care plan that includes a public single payer option that would compete with private insurers.
Speakers will include members of the medical and health care community as well as individuals whose lives are affected by lack of adequate health care.
The Madison chapter of the international social action group, The Raging Grannies, will perform.
OFA/Dane County Grassroots Network believes that health care for all is a right, not a privilege and should not be a commodity to be purchased by only those who can afford it. The group advocates for a single-payer, government funded health-care system much like the present Medicare system. The single-payer approach is
(1) The only reform proposal to date that would provide truly universal coverage; and
(2) The most efficient and cost-effective means of delivery of health care.
Various reputable national polls over the past year have consistently shown that almost 60 percent of the population in the U.S. prefers a single-payer system. These polls demonstrate that the public both
(1) Understands that that a fundamental injustice inheres in the denial of health-care coverage to 45 million people in a country as wealthy as the U.S.; and
(2) Has lost faith in a system in which big insurance companies profit by denying proper care to the insured.
Health care should be a basic civil right, not a source of profit for insurance companies.
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World Record for Hugs in an Hour?
Another thing to do at Rhythm & Booms, volunteers needed! This was unusual, so I thought I'd pass it along.
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Help Us Set the World Record for the Number of Hugs Given in One Hour!!!
Volunteer Opportunity
Join us at Rhythm and Booms on Saturday, June 27th (rain date Sunday, June 28th) to help raise money for With Wings and a Halo-R.E.A.C.H. a Child. We are a nationwide nonprofit that supplies emergency providers with backpacks full of books to distribute to children in crisis. The Mascot and Celebrity Charity Hug is a way to raise funds for With Wings and a Halo-R.E.A.C.H. a Child and be part of the Guinness Book of World Records. The Mascot and Celebrity Charity Hug will set a new world record for the most hugs given simultaneously in one hour during the Rhythm and Booms event. When you are finished with your shift, feel free to stick around for free music and the fireworks at Rhythm and Booms.
Each volunteer will receive a t-shirt for the event and a chance to be part of setting the Guinness Record. Groups that participate in the event will also receive ten percent of the donations they collect before the event and on the day of the event.
Below is a list of the volunteers that we need.
Wrist Band Promoters/Donation Collectors (2 Shifts Available)
Shift #1 4:00 p.m. – 6:00 p.m.
Shift #2 5:45 p.m. – 8:00 p.m.
· Walk through the crowds to promote the event.
· Accept donations for wrist bands and books.
· Work at stations as needed to accept donations and promote the event.
Shift #1 40 people**
Shift #2 40 people**
**All volunteers must be at least 14 years-old.
Counters
6:30 p.m. – 8:00 p.m.
· Assigned to one mascot/celebrity.
· Tally the number of hugs for that one mascot/celebrity in an hour.
10 – 15 people**
Monitor Lines/Celebrity and Mascot Sign Holders
6:30 – 8:00 p.m.
· Assigned to one mascot/celebrity.
· Instruct people to form two lines as they gather for the mascot/celebrity.
· Hold the sign identifying that mascot/celebrity.
10-15 people**
There are two ways to volunteer:
1. Individuals--We are looking for individuals that would love to help out at our event. Please contact Julie Cruz at chefjulie@wislug.net or (608) 445-9903 with your name, email address and phone number as well as what volunteer position you are looking for (first and second choices).
2. Groups—We are also looking for groups to participate. If you have a group that is interested, please provide your name and contact information as well as the name of your group and number of people able to volunteer to Julie Cruz at chefjulie@wislug.net or (608) 445-9903
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Cooling Off This Summer
Plan on taking a dip, here's all the details of what, when and where, you'll have to figure out the why and how:
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Ready, Set, Get Wet in Madison Parks
Goodman Pool on Olin Avenue
opens for the season on Saturday, June 13
http://www.cityofmadison.com/parks/pool/index.cfm
Goodman Pool, 325 Olin Ave., Madison, WI 53713 Phone: 264-9292
Recreation Swim Times:
Monday – Thursday, 12:30-4:30p.m. & 6:15-8:00p.m.
Fridays, 12:30p.m. – 8:00p.m.
Saturdays & Sundays, noon – 7:00p.m.
School’s out, and that means the pool’s open! Madison’s families are ready to welcome a summer of fun at Goodman Pool on Olin Ave.
Goodman Pool is the place to spend your summer days with the whole family - teaching your future Olympian the front crawl, building sand castles and memories, or just lounging through the lazy days of summer. With two waterslides, an eight-lane lap pool with diving boards, zero-depth water play features for pre-school aged children, and places to lounge in sun or shade, there is something for everyone. The pool area is also complete with family changing rooms, deck chairs, umbrella tables and shade structures, sand play areas and concessions. AND, it’s easy to get here no matter how you travel - conveniently located off the Beltline by car, on the Madison Metro line by bus, or just a bike ride away on a scenic bike path.
Goodman Pool Swimming Lessons
Lessons are available for swimmers of all ages and abilities, and are taught by highly qualified, WSI certified staff. Lessons are filling up quickly – so be sure to enroll your children today!
New in 2009 – Irwin and Robert Goodman donate more to scholarships fund
Thanks to generous donations from Irwin A. and Robert D. Goodman more Madisonians have the opportunity to learn to swim and enjoy Goodman Pool this summer. Once the Goodmans learned of the great demand for scholarships, they did not hesitate to once again support the Madison community. One of the goals of Goodman Pool and the scholarship program is to teach Madison youth how to swim. The $25,000 donation to the Madison Parks Foundation will be used towards swimming lesson scholarship requests.
Special Pre-Season Hours
To celebrate the last day of school, Goodman Pool will be open for Madison school kids on Friday, June 12 from noon-5:00p.m.
Special Pre-season Customer Service Hours
For folks who want to get a head start on securing their season pass, getting photos taken or signing their children up for swimming lessons, customer service staff will be available at the pool on June 9, 10, 11 from 4:30-6:30p.m.
Cypress Spray Park
Located on Madison’s south side, on the corner of Cypress Way and Magnolia Lane, the spray park offers families and kids a fun, safe and cost-free place to meet friends and ... get wet! Get really wet! Since opening in 2007, thousands of children cooled off each summer under the cascading water features, and spray features. Located only a 1.5 blocks from the south side metro transfer point, this spraypark is the perfect place for families to save money, gas and have a great time!
Cypress SprayPark, 902 Magnolia Lane, Madison
Hours, open daily through Labor Day from 11:00a.m. – 7:00p.m.
www.cityofmadison.com/parks/cypressspraypark.html
Madison Parks Public Beaches also to open on Saturday, June 13
As a city uniquely built on an isthmus, Madison is surrounded by 15,429 acres of sparkling lakes. Madison Parks has 13 public beaches, 10 of which have lifeguard services. Each beach provides a unique view of Lake Monona, Lake Mendota or Lake Wingra. Bring a picnic, a blanket and your sunscreen!
The Public Health Department monitors the daily condition of the beaches. Please be sure to check their website for daily closings and conditions reports.
www.cityofmadison.com/beaches
Major Beaches, Daily Hours 11:00a.m. – 7:00p.m.
• BB Clarke Beach, 835 Spaight Street
• Olbrich Beach, 3527 Atwood Ave.
• Tenney Beach, 1254 Sherman Ave.
• Vilas Beach, 1339 Vilas Park Drive
Smaller Beaches, Daily Hours, 12:30p.m.-4:30p.m.
• Bernies Beach, 901 Gilson Street
• Esther Beach, 2802 Waunona Way
• James Madison Beach, 614 E. Gorham Street
• Spring Harbor Beach, 1918 Norman Way
• Olin Beach, 1155 Olin-Turville Court
• Warner Beach, 1101 Woodward Drive
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Tuesday, June 9, 2009
Transit & Parking Tid Bits
This isn't a complete blow by blow or all the agenda items, but here's some highlights - Bus depot, route changes, Carl DuRocher, etc.
CARL DUROCHER
I walked in about 7 minutes late, Amanda White was in the chair (I don't think she was yet elected, but I consider that a good sign! And, for what it is worth, she did a really good job throughout the meeting.) and Carl DuRocher was there to speak to items not on the agenda. I missed most of it, but he was gracious and shared all the credit he had gotten over the last few weeks as the Mayor booted him off the TPC. They will have an honoring resolution next month.
BUS DEPOTS
Former Alder Webber talked about problems at Memorial Union with the buses, including the ruts in the streets and asking why the bus companies don't pay for the damage to the street and concerns about where they park and how hard it would be to get out of the
Some questions about the UW (Rob Kennedy) and their discussions with the bus companies. John Meyer, Badger Bus representative didn't have much to say, but available to answer questions. Mike Timman? from Greyhound, says Mr. Meyer's change in business will affect them alot, they will still facilities. They can do street corner operations but need to have other opportunities for those who are not internet savvy. Still need a facility. He asks for help to relocate to the best place and would like to locate with Metro, they can be rent paying tenants and will pay their fair share. VanGalder has a rep there too, no comment, no questions.
Susan DeVos spoke on behalf of MABAA. (Madison Area Bus Advocates) The official statement is here. They are urging delay of closing the Bus Depot.
Royce Williams also spoke for MABAA. He thinks that the real model we need to have is to have a multi-modal terminal and can't believe that we would be without a innercity bus terminal. Worried that this is going to the plan commission on Monday.
Ed Blume from the Peak Oil group spoke, complete with visuals.
Tim Wong also spoke against - we need a replacement and the condo market isn't really in need. Talked about experience riding bus and the small towns that have multi-modal stations. Wants city to take more interest in building a terminal. Says if high speed rail doesn't come downtown, if it is at the airport, then the feds should pay for a train link to downtown and then get trains to run downtown from the airport. People who are most likely to not have own transportation will be downtown and we should have transit available to the train.
Keith Pollack gave his update on the bus depot, works for City Engineering. Thanked the bus companies for sending representatives from long ago. Framed issue as being about closing the bus depot and the parking lot at Memorial Union. But he says bigger issue in that the TPC sets the intercity bus stops. This body will have the oversight. Says the approved current routes are on a website. Has a handout. Also hands out ordinance that gives TPC oversight. Says bus stop at Memorial Union was operating at capacity, it can handle two buses but they looked after school was out. But it doesn't look like it could handle additional buses.
Ken Streit asked what other cities were doing and if roadside pick ups were a trend. He said he'd have to look it up.
Gary Poulson asked how the routes were determined. Staff said that they would make a proposal.
Margaret Bergamini asked about staging issues. He said no discussions.
White explains it is just an update and they don't need to take action.
BUS ROUTE PRESENTATION
I think they basically presented this information - the overall map and the route by route information. The presentation was quick, lots of info, lasted 15 minutes or so.
Explains trying to use buses on the street to help heavily traveled areas. Extra buses for 2, 14, 15 etc. Some 15 minutes services. Timing is based on counts of riders. Sounds like most of the extra service is going to Sheboygan Ave, UW Hospital, etc.
Route 28 has 7.5 minutes service and they shifted some of those buses to route 9. Extra morning and afternoon routes for Johnson St. Also extra routes on Jenifer St. Most of the east improvements are not during summer hours.
Route 10 is back during the day - same except bus doesn't go to Union South, Mills St. instead. Should have buses every 15 minutes. Some confusion in the schedule but runs when 28/38 doesn't run.
Route 18 between West and South transfer points and can't get there in 25 minutes, so they cut the headway. This year, they added a bus and making connections at the south transfer point and at West there are more options.
Route 39 East to Dean Clinic/Dempsey. Adding trips.
Missed what he said about 34.
56 & 57 adding two trips in the morning to serve Toki Middle School and restores 57 routes lost last year.
Route 7 on weekends lost a few years ago, trying to get East to West transfer points in 41 minutes. Realigning the buses to have them be the first buses out, ahead of the pulse. They now have 45 - 47 minutes. Recovery time taken by changing route 68. 68 won't lose service.
Fitchburg also got more service out to Star Cinema.
Dave Tolmie asked about services further West, so get paratransit services to various housing places. Colin says it would be expensive, has looked at it, but its not viable.
[This presentation was SERIOUSLY on an overhead projector. Seriously!! And he kept putting the overhead pages backwards. I suppose it worked, but wouldn't a power point presentation have been better? Seems odd.]
BUS ROUTE PUBLIC TESTIMONY
Sharon Williams - you know, the bus driver lady that usually testifies. (THANK YOU!!!) Talks about recovery time and how bus drivers can't use restrooms and get breaks. She says after 10 years, she expects to have a good run, but still waiting. Says drivers won't call in sick if they have better runs and we'd save money. Says some drivers forced to speed or run lights to keep unrealistic schedules. Route 7, says if bus is late, how will they leave 3 minutes early if they. Says she'd rather have 17 than 18. Wants to get to Woodmans - from North to East. Wants 5 to go back to bottom of state to relieve 4. She has suggestions about 13 and how it could be improved, but I missed it. Also says she can't do the 3 in 45 minutes and some people get stranded. She says what looks good on paper isn't what happens in real life. Says she speaks for many drivers who are very frustrated.
Bergamini asks Williams what mechanism there is for drivers to have input. She says she's never been asked. Would like a driver on the TPC. Says supervisors might ask. They just wait for the fall ride guide to find out if it works. There are some good changes (6 & 20), but still very stressed. Thinks system was better when she first started (10 years ago)
Tim Wong says renumber 7 to 3. Supports 10 coming back. Supports expansion of service all the time, Jenifer is served well, would be even more riders if had every 5 minute service. Asks where the money is coming from. Asks to work towards a free service, paid for by property tax. He says he thinks we can do it with a modest increase in property taxes. He thinks ridership would increase greatly.
Laurie Wermter - only there to speak about the 10. Very much in support! Also added that the old route 8 circulator was also very helpful on the Westside. Says it is a big need and would have the same affect as adding the 10.
West side resident who used Metro for 9 years and has had lots of contacts with Metro staff. Wants route 15 and 14 expanded. Says nearest stop is 1.5 miles and not easy to walk in winter and can bike to stop if necessary. Has one car and his wife drops him off. They finally bought a second car because the routes never expanded. Says if the buses were more convenient, they will ride the buses in his neighborhood. He drives to bus stop and then takes the bus in. He only has one bus and it only comes every half hour. He lives in Valley Ridge.
Andy Lindgren - in support, available to answer questions. Written comments, would like later bus to airport. Works at airport and last bus leaves at 10:40. Also if buses ran later in the evening it would reduce driving and driving.
DISCUSSION ON ROUTE CHANGES
Poulson asks if street construction is taken into consideration with the bus routes. Does he build in time? He says if the schedule gets too soft, people get upset about having to wait. Only factors it in with temporary changes.
Poulson also asks about drivers needs. Open door policy, but not active solicitation of their feedback, but says he probably should. He says he basically responds to complaints and good ideas.
Kamp says that they are trying to figure out a more formal process.
Streit asks about driver accidents and if time schedules were a contributing factor. They have a safety committee looking at it. Colin Conn says that if he hears complaints he can look at it, but he doesn't know what is going on in the buss es. He says he tends to round up from .3 instead of .5 and tries to give them more info. She says that system was designed in 97 for 10M people, now 13M and some of the routes were gotten rid of to save money and it has a ripple affect. Says that there is a new attitude about fixing some of the problems in the system.
Susan Schmidt, says this is only her second meeting, but she asks if there is a wish list or priority list of what he wants? And asks how he gathers the info, not just ridership info but increasing service. He says through the feedback system.
Tolmie asks why East side gets more service and why West keeps losing service. Colin says he hears the same complaints from the East side. Reality is that everyone has lost service.
Tolmie asks about fare increases and how much money this is going to cost. Kamp says that these increases are covered for this year and when annualized, with the unlimited ride pass rates going up in 2010, they will be able to cover the costs.
Bergamini asks about cash revenues being down and several other questions about how this is going to be financed by the fare increases. Ridership up 2% in April, but it was spring break. He thinks that they will see an overall increase and is confident in their numbers. Kamp says that April isn't a good indicator.
Tolmie asks if it would be better to postpone expansions until have solid numbers? Kamp says that yes, better information always better. However, delay in decision in the fares and yet commitment to implement services. He says that they can move forward, and if they delay they won't be able to implement in August, and then it would be implemented in October, but that causes staffing issues. Kamp says there are some risks with the proposal, but some positives, State budget still has a 2% increase. In very difficult economic times, investments in public transit become more important.
Bergamini asks specific questions about a few routes on Old University and Johnson and Walter St. Colin also reiterates that this needs to get done for August and have a tight timeline.
White asks some questions on route 10. 4th most productive route, was the schedule similar to what is propsed today in regard to time of day. Says 3 & 4 just didn't hold as many people who want to ride the bus, and says it is close to what was needed. Also asks about how changes will be communicated and marketed. Says after Colin is done, need 3 to 4 weeks to get guides done. Flyers on buses, text message (I think he said 1,000 people?), Twitter, ride updates, some ads on buses, also some trades in advertising with television stations etc.
No discussion at all, just voted. I belive it was unanimous.
PARATRANSIT FARES
Kamp says they are looking at it to figure out how it could be revenue neutral.
Poulson asks why went to dual fare structure to spread out the riders, not to make money. Anne Gullickson said that goal of discounted fare off-peak time was to shift riders who had choices. Did have some affect for cash payers. Two factors that led to less success was that many have agencies that pay their fares and many need to travel for work. Didn't get the impact they really wanted.
I left after that . . . not much more of interest to me, routine items left.
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CARL DUROCHER
I walked in about 7 minutes late, Amanda White was in the chair (I don't think she was yet elected, but I consider that a good sign! And, for what it is worth, she did a really good job throughout the meeting.) and Carl DuRocher was there to speak to items not on the agenda. I missed most of it, but he was gracious and shared all the credit he had gotten over the last few weeks as the Mayor booted him off the TPC. They will have an honoring resolution next month.
BUS DEPOTS
Former Alder Webber talked about problems at Memorial Union with the buses, including the ruts in the streets and asking why the bus companies don't pay for the damage to the street and concerns about where they park and how hard it would be to get out of the
Some questions about the UW (Rob Kennedy) and their discussions with the bus companies. John Meyer, Badger Bus representative didn't have much to say, but available to answer questions. Mike Timman? from Greyhound, says Mr. Meyer's change in business will affect them alot, they will still facilities. They can do street corner operations but need to have other opportunities for those who are not internet savvy. Still need a facility. He asks for help to relocate to the best place and would like to locate with Metro, they can be rent paying tenants and will pay their fair share. VanGalder has a rep there too, no comment, no questions.
Susan DeVos spoke on behalf of MABAA. (Madison Area Bus Advocates) The official statement is here. They are urging delay of closing the Bus Depot.
Royce Williams also spoke for MABAA. He thinks that the real model we need to have is to have a multi-modal terminal and can't believe that we would be without a innercity bus terminal. Worried that this is going to the plan commission on Monday.
Ed Blume from the Peak Oil group spoke, complete with visuals.
Tim Wong also spoke against - we need a replacement and the condo market isn't really in need. Talked about experience riding bus and the small towns that have multi-modal stations. Wants city to take more interest in building a terminal. Says if high speed rail doesn't come downtown, if it is at the airport, then the feds should pay for a train link to downtown and then get trains to run downtown from the airport. People who are most likely to not have own transportation will be downtown and we should have transit available to the train.
Keith Pollack gave his update on the bus depot, works for City Engineering. Thanked the bus companies for sending representatives from long ago. Framed issue as being about closing the bus depot and the parking lot at Memorial Union. But he says bigger issue in that the TPC sets the intercity bus stops. This body will have the oversight. Says the approved current routes are on a website. Has a handout. Also hands out ordinance that gives TPC oversight. Says bus stop at Memorial Union was operating at capacity, it can handle two buses but they looked after school was out. But it doesn't look like it could handle additional buses.
Ken Streit asked what other cities were doing and if roadside pick ups were a trend. He said he'd have to look it up.
Gary Poulson asked how the routes were determined. Staff said that they would make a proposal.
Margaret Bergamini asked about staging issues. He said no discussions.
White explains it is just an update and they don't need to take action.
BUS ROUTE PRESENTATION
I think they basically presented this information - the overall map and the route by route information. The presentation was quick, lots of info, lasted 15 minutes or so.
Explains trying to use buses on the street to help heavily traveled areas. Extra buses for 2, 14, 15 etc. Some 15 minutes services. Timing is based on counts of riders. Sounds like most of the extra service is going to Sheboygan Ave, UW Hospital, etc.
Route 28 has 7.5 minutes service and they shifted some of those buses to route 9. Extra morning and afternoon routes for Johnson St. Also extra routes on Jenifer St. Most of the east improvements are not during summer hours.
Route 10 is back during the day - same except bus doesn't go to Union South, Mills St. instead. Should have buses every 15 minutes. Some confusion in the schedule but runs when 28/38 doesn't run.
Route 18 between West and South transfer points and can't get there in 25 minutes, so they cut the headway. This year, they added a bus and making connections at the south transfer point and at West there are more options.
Route 39 East to Dean Clinic/Dempsey. Adding trips.
Missed what he said about 34.
56 & 57 adding two trips in the morning to serve Toki Middle School and restores 57 routes lost last year.
Route 7 on weekends lost a few years ago, trying to get East to West transfer points in 41 minutes. Realigning the buses to have them be the first buses out, ahead of the pulse. They now have 45 - 47 minutes. Recovery time taken by changing route 68. 68 won't lose service.
Fitchburg also got more service out to Star Cinema.
Dave Tolmie asked about services further West, so get paratransit services to various housing places. Colin says it would be expensive, has looked at it, but its not viable.
[This presentation was SERIOUSLY on an overhead projector. Seriously!! And he kept putting the overhead pages backwards. I suppose it worked, but wouldn't a power point presentation have been better? Seems odd.]
BUS ROUTE PUBLIC TESTIMONY
Sharon Williams - you know, the bus driver lady that usually testifies. (THANK YOU!!!) Talks about recovery time and how bus drivers can't use restrooms and get breaks. She says after 10 years, she expects to have a good run, but still waiting. Says drivers won't call in sick if they have better runs and we'd save money. Says some drivers forced to speed or run lights to keep unrealistic schedules. Route 7, says if bus is late, how will they leave 3 minutes early if they. Says she'd rather have 17 than 18. Wants to get to Woodmans - from North to East. Wants 5 to go back to bottom of state to relieve 4. She has suggestions about 13 and how it could be improved, but I missed it. Also says she can't do the 3 in 45 minutes and some people get stranded. She says what looks good on paper isn't what happens in real life. Says she speaks for many drivers who are very frustrated.
Bergamini asks Williams what mechanism there is for drivers to have input. She says she's never been asked. Would like a driver on the TPC. Says supervisors might ask. They just wait for the fall ride guide to find out if it works. There are some good changes (6 & 20), but still very stressed. Thinks system was better when she first started (10 years ago)
Tim Wong says renumber 7 to 3. Supports 10 coming back. Supports expansion of service all the time, Jenifer is served well, would be even more riders if had every 5 minute service. Asks where the money is coming from. Asks to work towards a free service, paid for by property tax. He says he thinks we can do it with a modest increase in property taxes. He thinks ridership would increase greatly.
Laurie Wermter - only there to speak about the 10. Very much in support! Also added that the old route 8 circulator was also very helpful on the Westside. Says it is a big need and would have the same affect as adding the 10.
West side resident who used Metro for 9 years and has had lots of contacts with Metro staff. Wants route 15 and 14 expanded. Says nearest stop is 1.5 miles and not easy to walk in winter and can bike to stop if necessary. Has one car and his wife drops him off. They finally bought a second car because the routes never expanded. Says if the buses were more convenient, they will ride the buses in his neighborhood. He drives to bus stop and then takes the bus in. He only has one bus and it only comes every half hour. He lives in Valley Ridge.
Andy Lindgren - in support, available to answer questions. Written comments, would like later bus to airport. Works at airport and last bus leaves at 10:40. Also if buses ran later in the evening it would reduce driving and driving.
DISCUSSION ON ROUTE CHANGES
Poulson asks if street construction is taken into consideration with the bus routes. Does he build in time? He says if the schedule gets too soft, people get upset about having to wait. Only factors it in with temporary changes.
Poulson also asks about drivers needs. Open door policy, but not active solicitation of their feedback, but says he probably should. He says he basically responds to complaints and good ideas.
Kamp says that they are trying to figure out a more formal process.
Streit asks about driver accidents and if time schedules were a contributing factor. They have a safety committee looking at it. Colin Conn says that if he hears complaints he can look at it, but he doesn't know what is going on in the buss es. He says he tends to round up from .3 instead of .5 and tries to give them more info. She says that system was designed in 97 for 10M people, now 13M and some of the routes were gotten rid of to save money and it has a ripple affect. Says that there is a new attitude about fixing some of the problems in the system.
Susan Schmidt, says this is only her second meeting, but she asks if there is a wish list or priority list of what he wants? And asks how he gathers the info, not just ridership info but increasing service. He says through the feedback system.
Tolmie asks why East side gets more service and why West keeps losing service. Colin says he hears the same complaints from the East side. Reality is that everyone has lost service.
Tolmie asks about fare increases and how much money this is going to cost. Kamp says that these increases are covered for this year and when annualized, with the unlimited ride pass rates going up in 2010, they will be able to cover the costs.
Bergamini asks about cash revenues being down and several other questions about how this is going to be financed by the fare increases. Ridership up 2% in April, but it was spring break. He thinks that they will see an overall increase and is confident in their numbers. Kamp says that April isn't a good indicator.
Tolmie asks if it would be better to postpone expansions until have solid numbers? Kamp says that yes, better information always better. However, delay in decision in the fares and yet commitment to implement services. He says that they can move forward, and if they delay they won't be able to implement in August, and then it would be implemented in October, but that causes staffing issues. Kamp says there are some risks with the proposal, but some positives, State budget still has a 2% increase. In very difficult economic times, investments in public transit become more important.
Bergamini asks specific questions about a few routes on Old University and Johnson and Walter St. Colin also reiterates that this needs to get done for August and have a tight timeline.
White asks some questions on route 10. 4th most productive route, was the schedule similar to what is propsed today in regard to time of day. Says 3 & 4 just didn't hold as many people who want to ride the bus, and says it is close to what was needed. Also asks about how changes will be communicated and marketed. Says after Colin is done, need 3 to 4 weeks to get guides done. Flyers on buses, text message (I think he said 1,000 people?), Twitter, ride updates, some ads on buses, also some trades in advertising with television stations etc.
No discussion at all, just voted. I belive it was unanimous.
PARATRANSIT FARES
Kamp says they are looking at it to figure out how it could be revenue neutral.
Poulson asks why went to dual fare structure to spread out the riders, not to make money. Anne Gullickson said that goal of discounted fare off-peak time was to shift riders who had choices. Did have some affect for cash payers. Two factors that led to less success was that many have agencies that pay their fares and many need to travel for work. Didn't get the impact they really wanted.
I left after that . . . not much more of interest to me, routine items left.
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Board of Estimates Re-cap
A bit of a preview of issues to come, some revealing of some issues that won't ever get talked about at the council . . . .
Mayor, Bruer, Verveer, Rhodes-Conway, Clear, Clausius present, Sanborn absent.
I'm using my "week ahead" titles as a base for this post so I don't need to re-look up the links. The agenda is here for the rest of the links.
PUBLIC COMMENT
One person, Steve Schooler from Porchlight on 7 & 8, they decide to wait until that item comes up.
PERSONNEL ISSUES
- More advancements for some staff in some departments. See items 1 - 4. [this process seems so totally random]
#1 - Clerical Position in IT Department - Alder Rhodes-Conway asks why this is the second reclassification of this position in 2 years (i.e. 2nd raise in two years). Staff starts to justify, Rhodes-Conway explains the question is more systemic. Asks how often positions are reclassified, staff explains its whenever the supervisor brings it up or the position is vacant. Rhodes-Conway asks if there is a less haphazard way to do this and about training. Staff says that they have training as part of the supervisor's orientation and that with 2700 positions this is the only way to do this. [This is just crap. Some supervisors have been with the city for what seems like forever and there is no on-going training. So, some of them have probably never gotten any formal training and as a result, some departments get lots of reclasses, some get none. And I'm not sure that it's only because of the supervisor and if they bring the issues up. There needs to be a better way to evaluate some of these positions! Just my two cents after having served for nearly a year on a committee that was looking at the personnel issues.]
#2 - GIS Specialist in Planning - Rhodes-Conway notes that there are multiple GIS Speciailists in many departments and asks how they work together. Apparently, according to staff, "they talk". Staff explains that they could look at having one title across departments but that would take a study and they could do it. [But I didn't get the impression that they would.] Rhodes-Conway suggests to Mayor and Department Heads that they try to look for synergies.
#3 & 4 - Combining the Warner Parks Facility Manager with the Pool Manager. Rhodes-Conway asks why? HR Staff say that Warner Park is busy in winter, pool is busy in summer. Kevin Briske from Parks was asked to join conversation - he reiterates and says the staff in the position did double duty last summer and it worked. Rhodes-Conway asked how they determined that winter was busy season at Warner. He says numbers of people using facility - more basketball leagues? That the Warner Park staff is experienced and can handle it and have extra staff in the summer due to MSCR. They keep talking about "levels of efficiency" as if those are the magic words people want to hear.
Rhodes-Conway says that this is the wrong direction to head for the Pool Manager only to work during the summer. Says the Warner Park Director needs to be more focused on Warner Park and that this will hurt the functioning of the Center. She is voting no.
Clear asks about the pool operations. Again "level of efficiencies" buzzwords tossed around. Staff says 2 of 4 Aquatic Supervisors returning from last year, that Brad (Weisinger, the Warner Park Facilities Manager) has experience and training from last year.
Mayor jumps in, defends his guy, says Kevin is good at finds "efficiencies". Says the Council took the position that the Pool had to break even and this is one way to do it. And that they will try this and "figure out how it works" this year.
Kevin jumps back in and says that there are additional full time staff that will support the pool facilities manager.
Verveer asks the Mayor how the current budget picture works with the reclassifications - does the Mayor just approve them all?
Mayor says that he just approves them all. Says this has nothing to do with the hiring freezes, that HR staff does their job and if the person deserves the raise based on the merits, then its only fair since they are doing the work. [Right, so the people suffering by doing two and three jobs while the positions are frozen - it wouldn't be "fair" to give them additional compensation???? Better rethink that answer Mayor.]
1 & 2 pass unanimously.
3 & 4 Rhodes-Conway votes no.
- Al Schumacher, Streets Superintendent gets rewarded with additional duties and additional pay - twice as much as Larry Nelson got paid to do the same job.
#5 - Giving Al Schumacher additional position that Larry Nelson used to have as the Public Works coordinator. Mayor asks if they want to "grill" Schumacher, "in fact encourages it." [Supposed to be a joke.]
Clear asks why Al, is he the senior manager? Al Schumacher says Vandenbrook is more senior of the managers, but that he has been with the City the longers (32 years). Says he's not sure why he was chosen.
Mayor says it was a hard choice, lots of good managers, thinks Schumacher did a good job with streets with the last two years with the snow. Says he's the best choice among the good choices. Someone [Rhodes-Conway or Clear] asked about the extra money. Mayor explains that Larry Nelson got paid more because he was at the top of the scale and that Schumacher gets paid less as a base and so he's getting more money for these additional duties.
Rhodes-Conway says that seems odd to base it on the base pay of the employee, not the job duties involved.
Mayor says Larry Nelson was under-compensated when he did the work. Says the base salary issue just bolsters his argument. Then lots of jokes start . . . blah, blah, blah, Vince Lombardi, football jokes, broken leg, hurry up approve before he changes his mind, blah, blah, blah.
Approved unanimously
- Reappointing Brad Murphy as Director of the Planning Unit.
#5 Passes unanimously with I think some side comments about how great of a job Brad does, but it was hard to hear.
PORCHLIGHT PROPERTIES
- Funding for Porchlight to purchase a house on the 300 block E Mifflin (right across the street from my house) and 500 block E Johnson St. (Funny, not a peep from our neighborhood, unlike Alder Kerr's neighborhood.)
Rhodes-Conway asks for a brief explanation.
Steve Schooler from Porchlight explains that they owned a building on Henry St. for about 20 years, developer wants to demolish, they are making money on the deal, city shares in that appreciation and they wanted to find way to expand their program. They are going from 7 to 16 units. This is the same as they tried to do on Vilas Ave. He said they have $70,000 for rehab of the properties including some energy efficiency.
Bill Clingan also notes that the city has $400,000 in these properties and they were getting foreclosed on and if this didn't happen that money would have to be paid back to the federal government. So, this is a good deal for the city.
Rhodes-Conway asks about energy efficiency and if a revolving loan fund to make energy efficiency improvements would help.
Schooler says that it might, but that the energy savings are really needed for the programs and if there were additional debt service that would make it difficult.
Clingan explains some properties need alot of rehab.
Schooler says that there were some energy efficiencies put into the building last time, that Project Home helped with some furnaces. Schooler reiterates that energy savings really need to go to the programs.
MOVIN' OUT
#9 - Movin' Out funding. No comment, passes unanimously.
LAW ENFORCEMENT MONEY
- How Dane County will spend nearly $1M in law enforcement stimulus funds. (Do you remember seeing a public hearing on this? I don't.)
#10 - Rhodes-Conway asks about Drug Court, how is it working, how funded, how can we expand.
Police staff explain that Drug Courts were funded by Weed and Seed money, now this money and they are working with Community Services staff to figure out how to fund them. They say that this is one year money, essentially.
Rhodes-Conway expresses concern about on-going funding in the future and the expectation that the taxpayers continue to fund programs originally funded by grants.
Police staff say that they have told staff that this is one-time money and they are aware.
Claussius asks about traffic enforcement and if the stimulus money could be used for that? Staff says that JAG money is for one-time costs, likely items, not staff. She says they try to get traffic grants from the state to fund those activities
Verveer asks about DAIS money for Domestic Abuse and what that money will go for.
Police staff says they are expanding hours of existing staff.
Verveer asks about the Grant Assistance program.
Verveer compliments Terri Genin on her work over the years and say she deserves the additional help.
Passes unanimously.
METRO CAPITAL MONEY
11 & 12 - Capital Grant for busses. Passes unanimously without comment.
MONONA TERRACE ROOFTOP CAFE
#13 - Monona Terrace Rooftop Kiosk Project - increase $100,000 in Capital Budget.
Rhodes-Conway says first heard about it, please explain.
McMasters explains this is a permanent rooftop cafe. Open and operating at the moment. Had two donations - one from catering company, Monona Terrace Community Programs Inc, donated money - but after Capital Budget was approved. The project is already done.
Rhodes-Conway asks/goes back and forth with staff, if the project is complete, money donated to cover costs. Costs did exceed what was in the budget, so fundraised more money. The over run is covered by donations.
Clausius asks when it is open. Grand opening coming up in a week, hours are Tues - Sat 11 am - 8 pm. Say that so far so good with limited advertising.
VETERAN'S PARK
#14 Plaza and Purgola for Veteran's Park - more dumb jokes . . . passes unanimously.
FIREWORKS
- Agreement for Elver Park fireworks.
#15 - Verveer asks how much money saved by moving from July 3rd to the 4th - someone off camera talking - was $50,000 now $18,500.
Bruer tries to make more jokes, they fall flat.
FIBER OPTICS FOR BOARD OF REGENTS
#16 - Board of Regents fiber options.
Rhodes-Conway asks if we maintain, and staff say city is getting $40,000 of work on Park St. and Rimrock.
Bruer with another joke that falls flat.
STORMWATER UTILITY BUDGET
#17 - Substitute Stormwater Utility Operating Budget - more jokes . . . much off camera so hard to hear.
REPORTS ON FINANCIAL STATUS OF THE CITY
- How'd the city do financially in 2008? $3.2M saved - remember those amendments I tried to make for where we underspend? Well, we're pretty good at it, so all the handwringing we do is often for naught.
#18 - 2008 preliminary operating budget results. Still working on audited statements. They got it by email mid-May. Report in packet. Says numbers for budget are the amended budget.
Revenue - more in PILOT from Water Utility, State Highway aids was half million more than expected. Licenses and permits, permits under by $1.4M. Charges for services, Ambulance fees were up by $500,000 due to increased collection efforts. Investment income will be talked about more in a moment, $2M below what was budgeted. From $6M to $4M, due to interest rates allowed in the market. More revenue in TIF district, some of the money budgeted wasn't spent, so our return was $2M more than anticipated in the budget. So, under by $139,000 in the end because of offsets by PILOT, State Highway aids, ambulance fees and TIF.
Expenses - All departments within their budgets except City Attorney and Human Resources. Year end resolution we took money from their benefits, they had taken money and it was the fault of the estimates, so it was no fault of their own. Streets was the third department over. Kept snowing through end of December, didn't predict how much more it would cost. More jokes off camera. No blame to department head . . . more jokes. Says miscellaneous category of unallocated employee benefits. Significant under run and in the end, we had $3.24 under budget.
Nothing pointed out on balance sheet.
Brasser talks about the charts. Historical variance from originally adopted budget. Says we should ask how good the original budget is. It shows that historically we have had positive variances with a few exceptions. Its usually 1 - 4%, some over 5%. Generally speaking it is due to the weather. So in 2008 it was 1% or $3.1M which goes into the fund balance that can be applied to next year's budget. Fund balance remains stable from one year to the next. Coming out of a year like last year, we can feel very fortunate with the snow and the economy.
Finaly chart is general fund balance as % of operating budget. Says unreserved, undesignated (amount available for emergencies). Target is 15%, we're at 13.1%, so we're slightly below the target but in good shape since we were predicting to be at 12%.
There will be a big report coming out soon.
Bruer asks something, can't hear him. I think he's asking to get the info to the rest of the council members. Bruer asks about self-insurance funds. Brasser says two fund, general insurance and worker's comp. Says the first is improving, the second we often have to add money at the end of the year. Made progress, but still a deficit and we would like to shore that up if additional general fund balance.
Bruer asks about Room Tax - Brasser says didn't bring details. Each quarter we have a report. Says 1st quarter down 12.7% for first quarter, first time in years he's seen that. We saw something similar after 911, but that was a one time drop in travel. Room Tax has a fund balance, if the room tax stays at this lower level into the future, that would be a problem, but we need another quarter of data. So offers to come back with a report.
Bruer asks about Building Permits, says drifting into next item so they move on . . .
- And how bad is 2009? (Hint, $3M bad. Less in revenues and some over expenditures - take a peek to see where.)
Brasser says don't have all the data, but this is where they try to id potential problems. Building permits are down, based on collections of first few months, could be short by $700,000 no real pattern here so hard to project. Fines and forfeitures seem to be up, increase of $300,000 expected. Investment income went from $6 to $4M and we budgeted $4.75M and based on first quarter, it could be more like $2M. So, $2.75M drop. Drop in interest rates is the issue again. Treasurer will talk about more in a moment. More jokes by Clear . . . State recycling aid is $111,000 less than budgeted. Closing of TIF districts last year had another $508,000.
On expense side, no police overtime additions needed, Clerks office has savings in elections costs $95,000, City Channel peg fees are not coming in at the level we were hoping. Not sure why, but that market is changing. Cable revenues are falling. Predicting they could be over budget (expenses) by about $30,000 (normally wouldn't report that small number, but there is an underlying structural problem).
Clear asks when peg fees go away. Mayor says 2011.
Streets division, not snow, but sale of recyclable materials collected. With downturn in the economy, we got less money for the sale of recyclable materials. $1.25M loss for the city. Also, new state budget increased tipping fees. There is $115,000 more at the moment. Might be further update on that. Community Services, daycare assistance, if they project the commitments to date, they are over by $200,000. Director and staff are reviewing and trying to rectify. Contingent reserve. $1.2M and some has been spent and have $942,000 left to pay for these shortfalls.
Points to spreadsheet, net $3.3M, interest income on revenue and loss in recycling payments are the two major driving factors.
He notes a few other fund areas. Room tax fund, 1st quarter well below what was anticipated. Could also impact the general fund. Golf enterprise fund has been experiencing loss for the last couple years and expecting another loss this year. Parks staff working on it, but year to date we need to track this. Used to make money, market has changed. More jokes by mayor, rounds are up, rain is the big wild card says the Mayor. Charging sales tax now, used to eat it. Clear pointing out the obvious, more jokes. Parks took out positions and changed them to hourly positions. [Ugh, a big trend in that department]
Mayor thanks people, says that 2010 budget starts out $3M in hole, but state news is bad by $1M and worse news on tipping fees. So, its a tough picture for 2010. [FEAR, FEAR, FEAR!!!!]
Clear asks about the $6M swing, $3M positive in 2008 and $3M hole in 2009. Dean says yes, but only if this is the final result, but in 2008 almost every budget under by a bit and we can probably look at the historical chart to show that we have had a positive variance and so we can still expect to find those savings and Clear notes that we also have the hiring freeze. Brasser says its not the expense side that is the worry, its the expense side. Clear points out the revenue is largely out of our control. More jokes by Clear . . .
#20 Treasurer's quarterly briefing on investments. Hands out updates.
Already heard the general themes. We can't control some of these items. Mayor and others are talking as Gawenda is trying to explain and its very distracting. He says he has a few points. Level of return that we get and the rates we earn are volatile. in 7 years he was county treasurer, sometimes rejoiced, sometimes shortfall. He says our benchmark is 90 day treasury bills according to policy, but more practical benchmark is state local government investment pool. Smaller communities use that, so as a practical matter, we should do better. He has a chart that shows city v state. For the last couple years we have done better. Last half of 05 and 06 we lagged the state investment pool. Currently earning twice that amount. When look at monthly comparison, including the school district investments (which we also invest), says its the same rollercoaster, as months go on, reserves drop, so money we earn drops. Explains cash flow of taxes in first of the year and in the bump in August with second payments. Again compares to state investment pool, we're 1% higher for May. We're getting 3 times more. Trying to show the glass is half full. Thinks we might see higher rates at end of the year, but that won't be when we have the cash. 3 months ago he had a 24 page report, now has 6 charts. Talks about 3 buckets of money - cash equivalence (money spending soon, keep it liquid) so lowest return, certificates of deposit we can earn more but not as liquid. Highest return on last second. [His phone keeps going off]. Return on each of the buckets has dropped. Final page, he explains he has done two things to improve returns. May shows cash equivalents lower, cuz trying to push more money into cd's and bonds to get more return. Good as long as keep enough money in cash reserves. Says seen rates gradually increase, report to comptroller looks at average daily balance. Earning more at the end of May so seeing improvement. Market is seeing potential for economic recovery. 2nd derivative recovery, things are still getting bad, but at a slower rate. Recession may end 2nd half of the year.
Mayor asks about recession and unemployment rates. Says the unemployment rates in WI will start to see pick up in 3rd quarter 2010. Says people hiring have to be convinced things are getting better before they start hiring. So, that will lag a bit before there is a confidence to hire people.
Clear asks how county compares to city. Says that talks to county frequently, we are outperforming them. We have more dollars to work with and county treasurer is newer and more cautious in moving money.
#21 - The annual scareing of the alders, with the briefing on how bad the state budget is. No materials available.
Memo not in the packets [The Mayor's office is the rock star in this department!]. Says bottom line impact is less $900,000 but early in process, both houses and governor vetoes may still impact. Levy limit largely did not change. Levy growth 3- 8%, gravitating around 6%. Payments for municipal services, police fire and garbage for state facilities, 1% cut in the program, about $90,000. Administration will stay at DOA in part due to our. Expenditure restraint program will be adjusted for loss in payments for municipal services. We get 80 cents for every $1 of expense. That short fall will be exempt from the calculations this year. Share revenue, governor recommended 1% and it became 3.5%. We were going to lose $325,000, but we can expect 1.1M and there were changes to the formula, so that is the best guess. RTA language remained in tact, change in board membership and opt out for DeForest possible. Transit aids, 2 -3% increase. Highway aids 1% cut turned into 2- 3% increase. Computer aids the same. Tipping fees is bad news. $5.90 to $13.00 per ton. So increase of $160,000 this year and $400,000 next year. Mayor clarifies that the $400,000 is over 2008.
- Update on stimulus money. You have the info, updated at every meeting. Some new JAG money $110,000. Water utility projects not funded. But they would have been loans, not grants. We are a solar city and we might be able to get some money there. So chances are good there. Early July groundbreaking for first stimulus money streets project. Mayor will blog further updates today on trip to Washington.
Clear asks about local share of projects that are new expenses due to the stimulus money. Brasser sees that you might see more next year, beyond the planning money for upcoming projects.
Meeting adjourned.
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Mayor, Bruer, Verveer, Rhodes-Conway, Clear, Clausius present, Sanborn absent.
I'm using my "week ahead" titles as a base for this post so I don't need to re-look up the links. The agenda is here for the rest of the links.
PUBLIC COMMENT
One person, Steve Schooler from Porchlight on 7 & 8, they decide to wait until that item comes up.
PERSONNEL ISSUES
- More advancements for some staff in some departments. See items 1 - 4. [this process seems so totally random]
#1 - Clerical Position in IT Department - Alder Rhodes-Conway asks why this is the second reclassification of this position in 2 years (i.e. 2nd raise in two years). Staff starts to justify, Rhodes-Conway explains the question is more systemic. Asks how often positions are reclassified, staff explains its whenever the supervisor brings it up or the position is vacant. Rhodes-Conway asks if there is a less haphazard way to do this and about training. Staff says that they have training as part of the supervisor's orientation and that with 2700 positions this is the only way to do this. [This is just crap. Some supervisors have been with the city for what seems like forever and there is no on-going training. So, some of them have probably never gotten any formal training and as a result, some departments get lots of reclasses, some get none. And I'm not sure that it's only because of the supervisor and if they bring the issues up. There needs to be a better way to evaluate some of these positions! Just my two cents after having served for nearly a year on a committee that was looking at the personnel issues.]
#2 - GIS Specialist in Planning - Rhodes-Conway notes that there are multiple GIS Speciailists in many departments and asks how they work together. Apparently, according to staff, "they talk". Staff explains that they could look at having one title across departments but that would take a study and they could do it. [But I didn't get the impression that they would.] Rhodes-Conway suggests to Mayor and Department Heads that they try to look for synergies.
#3 & 4 - Combining the Warner Parks Facility Manager with the Pool Manager. Rhodes-Conway asks why? HR Staff say that Warner Park is busy in winter, pool is busy in summer. Kevin Briske from Parks was asked to join conversation - he reiterates and says the staff in the position did double duty last summer and it worked. Rhodes-Conway asked how they determined that winter was busy season at Warner. He says numbers of people using facility - more basketball leagues? That the Warner Park staff is experienced and can handle it and have extra staff in the summer due to MSCR. They keep talking about "levels of efficiency" as if those are the magic words people want to hear.
Rhodes-Conway says that this is the wrong direction to head for the Pool Manager only to work during the summer. Says the Warner Park Director needs to be more focused on Warner Park and that this will hurt the functioning of the Center. She is voting no.
Clear asks about the pool operations. Again "level of efficiencies" buzzwords tossed around. Staff says 2 of 4 Aquatic Supervisors returning from last year, that Brad (Weisinger, the Warner Park Facilities Manager) has experience and training from last year.
Mayor jumps in, defends his guy, says Kevin is good at finds "efficiencies". Says the Council took the position that the Pool had to break even and this is one way to do it. And that they will try this and "figure out how it works" this year.
Kevin jumps back in and says that there are additional full time staff that will support the pool facilities manager.
Verveer asks the Mayor how the current budget picture works with the reclassifications - does the Mayor just approve them all?
Mayor says that he just approves them all. Says this has nothing to do with the hiring freezes, that HR staff does their job and if the person deserves the raise based on the merits, then its only fair since they are doing the work. [Right, so the people suffering by doing two and three jobs while the positions are frozen - it wouldn't be "fair" to give them additional compensation???? Better rethink that answer Mayor.]
1 & 2 pass unanimously.
3 & 4 Rhodes-Conway votes no.
- Al Schumacher, Streets Superintendent gets rewarded with additional duties and additional pay - twice as much as Larry Nelson got paid to do the same job.
#5 - Giving Al Schumacher additional position that Larry Nelson used to have as the Public Works coordinator. Mayor asks if they want to "grill" Schumacher, "in fact encourages it." [Supposed to be a joke.]
Clear asks why Al, is he the senior manager? Al Schumacher says Vandenbrook is more senior of the managers, but that he has been with the City the longers (32 years). Says he's not sure why he was chosen.
Mayor says it was a hard choice, lots of good managers, thinks Schumacher did a good job with streets with the last two years with the snow. Says he's the best choice among the good choices. Someone [Rhodes-Conway or Clear] asked about the extra money. Mayor explains that Larry Nelson got paid more because he was at the top of the scale and that Schumacher gets paid less as a base and so he's getting more money for these additional duties.
Rhodes-Conway says that seems odd to base it on the base pay of the employee, not the job duties involved.
Mayor says Larry Nelson was under-compensated when he did the work. Says the base salary issue just bolsters his argument. Then lots of jokes start . . . blah, blah, blah, Vince Lombardi, football jokes, broken leg, hurry up approve before he changes his mind, blah, blah, blah.
Approved unanimously
- Reappointing Brad Murphy as Director of the Planning Unit.
#5 Passes unanimously with I think some side comments about how great of a job Brad does, but it was hard to hear.
PORCHLIGHT PROPERTIES
- Funding for Porchlight to purchase a house on the 300 block E Mifflin (right across the street from my house) and 500 block E Johnson St. (Funny, not a peep from our neighborhood, unlike Alder Kerr's neighborhood.)
Rhodes-Conway asks for a brief explanation.
Steve Schooler from Porchlight explains that they owned a building on Henry St. for about 20 years, developer wants to demolish, they are making money on the deal, city shares in that appreciation and they wanted to find way to expand their program. They are going from 7 to 16 units. This is the same as they tried to do on Vilas Ave. He said they have $70,000 for rehab of the properties including some energy efficiency.
Bill Clingan also notes that the city has $400,000 in these properties and they were getting foreclosed on and if this didn't happen that money would have to be paid back to the federal government. So, this is a good deal for the city.
Rhodes-Conway asks about energy efficiency and if a revolving loan fund to make energy efficiency improvements would help.
Schooler says that it might, but that the energy savings are really needed for the programs and if there were additional debt service that would make it difficult.
Clingan explains some properties need alot of rehab.
Schooler says that there were some energy efficiencies put into the building last time, that Project Home helped with some furnaces. Schooler reiterates that energy savings really need to go to the programs.
MOVIN' OUT
#9 - Movin' Out funding. No comment, passes unanimously.
LAW ENFORCEMENT MONEY
- How Dane County will spend nearly $1M in law enforcement stimulus funds. (Do you remember seeing a public hearing on this? I don't.)
#10 - Rhodes-Conway asks about Drug Court, how is it working, how funded, how can we expand.
Police staff explain that Drug Courts were funded by Weed and Seed money, now this money and they are working with Community Services staff to figure out how to fund them. They say that this is one year money, essentially.
Rhodes-Conway expresses concern about on-going funding in the future and the expectation that the taxpayers continue to fund programs originally funded by grants.
Police staff say that they have told staff that this is one-time money and they are aware.
Claussius asks about traffic enforcement and if the stimulus money could be used for that? Staff says that JAG money is for one-time costs, likely items, not staff. She says they try to get traffic grants from the state to fund those activities
Verveer asks about DAIS money for Domestic Abuse and what that money will go for.
Police staff says they are expanding hours of existing staff.
Verveer asks about the Grant Assistance program.
Verveer compliments Terri Genin on her work over the years and say she deserves the additional help.
Passes unanimously.
METRO CAPITAL MONEY
11 & 12 - Capital Grant for busses. Passes unanimously without comment.
MONONA TERRACE ROOFTOP CAFE
#13 - Monona Terrace Rooftop Kiosk Project - increase $100,000 in Capital Budget.
Rhodes-Conway says first heard about it, please explain.
McMasters explains this is a permanent rooftop cafe. Open and operating at the moment. Had two donations - one from catering company, Monona Terrace Community Programs Inc, donated money - but after Capital Budget was approved. The project is already done.
Rhodes-Conway asks/goes back and forth with staff, if the project is complete, money donated to cover costs. Costs did exceed what was in the budget, so fundraised more money. The over run is covered by donations.
Clausius asks when it is open. Grand opening coming up in a week, hours are Tues - Sat 11 am - 8 pm. Say that so far so good with limited advertising.
VETERAN'S PARK
#14 Plaza and Purgola for Veteran's Park - more dumb jokes . . . passes unanimously.
FIREWORKS
- Agreement for Elver Park fireworks.
#15 - Verveer asks how much money saved by moving from July 3rd to the 4th - someone off camera talking - was $50,000 now $18,500.
Bruer tries to make more jokes, they fall flat.
FIBER OPTICS FOR BOARD OF REGENTS
#16 - Board of Regents fiber options.
Rhodes-Conway asks if we maintain, and staff say city is getting $40,000 of work on Park St. and Rimrock.
Bruer with another joke that falls flat.
STORMWATER UTILITY BUDGET
#17 - Substitute Stormwater Utility Operating Budget - more jokes . . . much off camera so hard to hear.
REPORTS ON FINANCIAL STATUS OF THE CITY
- How'd the city do financially in 2008? $3.2M saved - remember those amendments I tried to make for where we underspend? Well, we're pretty good at it, so all the handwringing we do is often for naught.
#18 - 2008 preliminary operating budget results. Still working on audited statements. They got it by email mid-May. Report in packet. Says numbers for budget are the amended budget.
Revenue - more in PILOT from Water Utility, State Highway aids was half million more than expected. Licenses and permits, permits under by $1.4M. Charges for services, Ambulance fees were up by $500,000 due to increased collection efforts. Investment income will be talked about more in a moment, $2M below what was budgeted. From $6M to $4M, due to interest rates allowed in the market. More revenue in TIF district, some of the money budgeted wasn't spent, so our return was $2M more than anticipated in the budget. So, under by $139,000 in the end because of offsets by PILOT, State Highway aids, ambulance fees and TIF.
Expenses - All departments within their budgets except City Attorney and Human Resources. Year end resolution we took money from their benefits, they had taken money and it was the fault of the estimates, so it was no fault of their own. Streets was the third department over. Kept snowing through end of December, didn't predict how much more it would cost. More jokes off camera. No blame to department head . . . more jokes. Says miscellaneous category of unallocated employee benefits. Significant under run and in the end, we had $3.24 under budget.
Nothing pointed out on balance sheet.
Brasser talks about the charts. Historical variance from originally adopted budget. Says we should ask how good the original budget is. It shows that historically we have had positive variances with a few exceptions. Its usually 1 - 4%, some over 5%. Generally speaking it is due to the weather. So in 2008 it was 1% or $3.1M which goes into the fund balance that can be applied to next year's budget. Fund balance remains stable from one year to the next. Coming out of a year like last year, we can feel very fortunate with the snow and the economy.
Finaly chart is general fund balance as % of operating budget. Says unreserved, undesignated (amount available for emergencies). Target is 15%, we're at 13.1%, so we're slightly below the target but in good shape since we were predicting to be at 12%.
There will be a big report coming out soon.
Bruer asks something, can't hear him. I think he's asking to get the info to the rest of the council members. Bruer asks about self-insurance funds. Brasser says two fund, general insurance and worker's comp. Says the first is improving, the second we often have to add money at the end of the year. Made progress, but still a deficit and we would like to shore that up if additional general fund balance.
Bruer asks about Room Tax - Brasser says didn't bring details. Each quarter we have a report. Says 1st quarter down 12.7% for first quarter, first time in years he's seen that. We saw something similar after 911, but that was a one time drop in travel. Room Tax has a fund balance, if the room tax stays at this lower level into the future, that would be a problem, but we need another quarter of data. So offers to come back with a report.
Bruer asks about Building Permits, says drifting into next item so they move on . . .
- And how bad is 2009? (Hint, $3M bad. Less in revenues and some over expenditures - take a peek to see where.)
Brasser says don't have all the data, but this is where they try to id potential problems. Building permits are down, based on collections of first few months, could be short by $700,000 no real pattern here so hard to project. Fines and forfeitures seem to be up, increase of $300,000 expected. Investment income went from $6 to $4M and we budgeted $4.75M and based on first quarter, it could be more like $2M. So, $2.75M drop. Drop in interest rates is the issue again. Treasurer will talk about more in a moment. More jokes by Clear . . . State recycling aid is $111,000 less than budgeted. Closing of TIF districts last year had another $508,000.
On expense side, no police overtime additions needed, Clerks office has savings in elections costs $95,000, City Channel peg fees are not coming in at the level we were hoping. Not sure why, but that market is changing. Cable revenues are falling. Predicting they could be over budget (expenses) by about $30,000 (normally wouldn't report that small number, but there is an underlying structural problem).
Clear asks when peg fees go away. Mayor says 2011.
Streets division, not snow, but sale of recyclable materials collected. With downturn in the economy, we got less money for the sale of recyclable materials. $1.25M loss for the city. Also, new state budget increased tipping fees. There is $115,000 more at the moment. Might be further update on that. Community Services, daycare assistance, if they project the commitments to date, they are over by $200,000. Director and staff are reviewing and trying to rectify. Contingent reserve. $1.2M and some has been spent and have $942,000 left to pay for these shortfalls.
Points to spreadsheet, net $3.3M, interest income on revenue and loss in recycling payments are the two major driving factors.
He notes a few other fund areas. Room tax fund, 1st quarter well below what was anticipated. Could also impact the general fund. Golf enterprise fund has been experiencing loss for the last couple years and expecting another loss this year. Parks staff working on it, but year to date we need to track this. Used to make money, market has changed. More jokes by mayor, rounds are up, rain is the big wild card says the Mayor. Charging sales tax now, used to eat it. Clear pointing out the obvious, more jokes. Parks took out positions and changed them to hourly positions. [Ugh, a big trend in that department]
Mayor thanks people, says that 2010 budget starts out $3M in hole, but state news is bad by $1M and worse news on tipping fees. So, its a tough picture for 2010. [FEAR, FEAR, FEAR!!!!]
Clear asks about the $6M swing, $3M positive in 2008 and $3M hole in 2009. Dean says yes, but only if this is the final result, but in 2008 almost every budget under by a bit and we can probably look at the historical chart to show that we have had a positive variance and so we can still expect to find those savings and Clear notes that we also have the hiring freeze. Brasser says its not the expense side that is the worry, its the expense side. Clear points out the revenue is largely out of our control. More jokes by Clear . . .
#20 Treasurer's quarterly briefing on investments. Hands out updates.
Already heard the general themes. We can't control some of these items. Mayor and others are talking as Gawenda is trying to explain and its very distracting. He says he has a few points. Level of return that we get and the rates we earn are volatile. in 7 years he was county treasurer, sometimes rejoiced, sometimes shortfall. He says our benchmark is 90 day treasury bills according to policy, but more practical benchmark is state local government investment pool. Smaller communities use that, so as a practical matter, we should do better. He has a chart that shows city v state. For the last couple years we have done better. Last half of 05 and 06 we lagged the state investment pool. Currently earning twice that amount. When look at monthly comparison, including the school district investments (which we also invest), says its the same rollercoaster, as months go on, reserves drop, so money we earn drops. Explains cash flow of taxes in first of the year and in the bump in August with second payments. Again compares to state investment pool, we're 1% higher for May. We're getting 3 times more. Trying to show the glass is half full. Thinks we might see higher rates at end of the year, but that won't be when we have the cash. 3 months ago he had a 24 page report, now has 6 charts. Talks about 3 buckets of money - cash equivalence (money spending soon, keep it liquid) so lowest return, certificates of deposit we can earn more but not as liquid. Highest return on last second. [His phone keeps going off]. Return on each of the buckets has dropped. Final page, he explains he has done two things to improve returns. May shows cash equivalents lower, cuz trying to push more money into cd's and bonds to get more return. Good as long as keep enough money in cash reserves. Says seen rates gradually increase, report to comptroller looks at average daily balance. Earning more at the end of May so seeing improvement. Market is seeing potential for economic recovery. 2nd derivative recovery, things are still getting bad, but at a slower rate. Recession may end 2nd half of the year.
Mayor asks about recession and unemployment rates. Says the unemployment rates in WI will start to see pick up in 3rd quarter 2010. Says people hiring have to be convinced things are getting better before they start hiring. So, that will lag a bit before there is a confidence to hire people.
Clear asks how county compares to city. Says that talks to county frequently, we are outperforming them. We have more dollars to work with and county treasurer is newer and more cautious in moving money.
#21 - The annual scareing of the alders, with the briefing on how bad the state budget is. No materials available.
Memo not in the packets [The Mayor's office is the rock star in this department!]. Says bottom line impact is less $900,000 but early in process, both houses and governor vetoes may still impact. Levy limit largely did not change. Levy growth 3- 8%, gravitating around 6%. Payments for municipal services, police fire and garbage for state facilities, 1% cut in the program, about $90,000. Administration will stay at DOA in part due to our. Expenditure restraint program will be adjusted for loss in payments for municipal services. We get 80 cents for every $1 of expense. That short fall will be exempt from the calculations this year. Share revenue, governor recommended 1% and it became 3.5%. We were going to lose $325,000, but we can expect 1.1M and there were changes to the formula, so that is the best guess. RTA language remained in tact, change in board membership and opt out for DeForest possible. Transit aids, 2 -3% increase. Highway aids 1% cut turned into 2- 3% increase. Computer aids the same. Tipping fees is bad news. $5.90 to $13.00 per ton. So increase of $160,000 this year and $400,000 next year. Mayor clarifies that the $400,000 is over 2008.
- Update on stimulus money. You have the info, updated at every meeting. Some new JAG money $110,000. Water utility projects not funded. But they would have been loans, not grants. We are a solar city and we might be able to get some money there. So chances are good there. Early July groundbreaking for first stimulus money streets project. Mayor will blog further updates today on trip to Washington.
Clear asks about local share of projects that are new expenses due to the stimulus money. Brasser sees that you might see more next year, beyond the planning money for upcoming projects.
Meeting adjourned.
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Monday, June 8, 2009
The Stormy Start to the Week Ahead
Here it is . . . meetings I think are interesting as of Monday morning, but you never know what they might add or if you think something different is of interest. Full weekly meeting schedule here.
Monday, June 8, 2009
4:30 PM BOARD OF ESTIMATES ROOM 260 MMB
- More advancements for some staff in some departments. See items 1 - 4. [this process seems so totally random]
- Al Schumacher, Streets Superintendent gets rewarded with additional duties and additional pay - twice as much as Larry Nelson got paid to do the same job.
- Reappointing Brad Murphy as Director of the Planning Unit.
- Funding for Porchlight to purchase a house on the 300 block E Mifflin (right across the street from my house) and 500 block E Johnson St. (Funny, not a peep from our neighborhood, unlike Alder Kerr's neighborhood.)
- How Dane County will spend nearly $1M in law enforcement stimulus funds. (Do you remember seeing a public hearing on this? I don't.)
- Agreement for Elver Park fireworks.
- How'd the city do financially in 2008? $3.2M saved - remember those amendments I tried to make for where we underspend? Well, we're pretty good at it, so all the handwringing we do is often for naught.
- And how bad is 2009? (Hint, $3M bad. Less in revenues and some over expenditures - take a peek to see where.)
- The annual scareing of the alders, with the briefing on how bad the state budget is. No materials available.
- Update on stimulus money.
5:00 PM PLAN COMMISSION DOWNTOWN PLAN PROJECT OFFICE, 125 W MIFFLIN ST
- Special work session on the Downtown Plan, won't be on recorded.
5:15 PM MADISON BOARD OF POLICE AND FIRE COMMISSIONERS MADISON PUBLIC LIBRARY, 201 W MIFFLIN
- This weeks nomination for the WORST AGENDA - who really knows what they might be talking about???
Tuesday, June 9, 2009
12:00 PM COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY ROOM 313 MMB
- The entire agenda is about the Villager mall and surrounding area.
4:30 PM MADISON ELECTION ADVISORY COMMITTEE ROOM 103 CCB
- Lots of interesting items for election geeks. Including starting to think about redistricting and how it will impact elections.
5:00 PM AFFIRMATIVE ACTION COMMISSION ROOM LL-120 MMB
- Allowing committees to introduce items to the Council for action.
5:00 PM TRANSIT AND PARKING COMMISSION ROOM 260 MMB
- Intercity bus stops and routes (I presume including the loss of the Badger Bus Depot) - No info available
- Getting rid of the increased paratransit fees during peak hours.
- Bus route changes!! Presentation followed by public hearing. (Take a peak, these are usually spun as "improvements" and there are usually issues that are not viewed as improvements. Also, is this what was promised with the fare hikes?)
Wednesday, June 10, 2009
6:30 PM BOARD OF PARK COMMISSIONERS WARNER PARK COMMUNITY RECREATION CENTER, 1625 NORTHPORT DR
- Elver Park and Rhythm & Booms Fireworks agreements (close shoreline, extend park hours)
- Restricting alcohol consumption to permit only at Lake Edge Park (no materials)
- Capital Budget for 2010 (no materials)
- Request from Hanah Jon Taylor director of the Madison Center for Creative and Cultural Arts to host a summer community outreach initiative behind the Collins House at James Madison Park on July 26, 2009. (no materials, recommendations on the agenda)
- Parks gets the award for the most "no materials".
Thursday, June 11, 2009
4:30 PM COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY ROOM 260 MMB
All the usual, updates on Lakepoite, Villager, Allied, Truax, Truman Olson
- CDA gets the "gettin' better" award, but still have work to do.
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Monday, June 8, 2009
4:30 PM BOARD OF ESTIMATES ROOM 260 MMB
- More advancements for some staff in some departments. See items 1 - 4. [this process seems so totally random]
- Al Schumacher, Streets Superintendent gets rewarded with additional duties and additional pay - twice as much as Larry Nelson got paid to do the same job.
- Reappointing Brad Murphy as Director of the Planning Unit.
- Funding for Porchlight to purchase a house on the 300 block E Mifflin (right across the street from my house) and 500 block E Johnson St. (Funny, not a peep from our neighborhood, unlike Alder Kerr's neighborhood.)
- How Dane County will spend nearly $1M in law enforcement stimulus funds. (Do you remember seeing a public hearing on this? I don't.)
- Agreement for Elver Park fireworks.
- How'd the city do financially in 2008? $3.2M saved - remember those amendments I tried to make for where we underspend? Well, we're pretty good at it, so all the handwringing we do is often for naught.
- And how bad is 2009? (Hint, $3M bad. Less in revenues and some over expenditures - take a peek to see where.)
- The annual scareing of the alders, with the briefing on how bad the state budget is. No materials available.
- Update on stimulus money.
5:00 PM PLAN COMMISSION DOWNTOWN PLAN PROJECT OFFICE, 125 W MIFFLIN ST
- Special work session on the Downtown Plan, won't be on recorded.
5:15 PM MADISON BOARD OF POLICE AND FIRE COMMISSIONERS MADISON PUBLIC LIBRARY, 201 W MIFFLIN
- This weeks nomination for the WORST AGENDA - who really knows what they might be talking about???
Tuesday, June 9, 2009
12:00 PM COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY ROOM 313 MMB
- The entire agenda is about the Villager mall and surrounding area.
4:30 PM MADISON ELECTION ADVISORY COMMITTEE ROOM 103 CCB
- Lots of interesting items for election geeks. Including starting to think about redistricting and how it will impact elections.
5:00 PM AFFIRMATIVE ACTION COMMISSION ROOM LL-120 MMB
- Allowing committees to introduce items to the Council for action.
5:00 PM TRANSIT AND PARKING COMMISSION ROOM 260 MMB
- Intercity bus stops and routes (I presume including the loss of the Badger Bus Depot) - No info available
- Getting rid of the increased paratransit fees during peak hours.
- Bus route changes!! Presentation followed by public hearing. (Take a peak, these are usually spun as "improvements" and there are usually issues that are not viewed as improvements. Also, is this what was promised with the fare hikes?)
Wednesday, June 10, 2009
6:30 PM BOARD OF PARK COMMISSIONERS WARNER PARK COMMUNITY RECREATION CENTER, 1625 NORTHPORT DR
- Elver Park and Rhythm & Booms Fireworks agreements (close shoreline, extend park hours)
- Restricting alcohol consumption to permit only at Lake Edge Park (no materials)
- Capital Budget for 2010 (no materials)
- Request from Hanah Jon Taylor director of the Madison Center for Creative and Cultural Arts to host a summer community outreach initiative behind the Collins House at James Madison Park on July 26, 2009. (no materials, recommendations on the agenda)
- Parks gets the award for the most "no materials".
Thursday, June 11, 2009
4:30 PM COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY ROOM 260 MMB
All the usual, updates on Lakepoite, Villager, Allied, Truax, Truman Olson
- CDA gets the "gettin' better" award, but still have work to do.
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Take a Stake in the Lakes!
Events started on Saturday and go through the 21st!
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The month of June will feature a series of fun, eco-conscious, community events. Featuring paddles, clean-up events and more, highlights include:
Thursday, June 11
6:30 a.m.-7:30 a.m. Paddle to Work Day, departing from Olin Park and ending at Law Park, with times varying at additional locations. Register your participation and secure a spot in a 25-foot voyageur canoe at www.takeastakeinthelakes.com/events/PaddleToWork.aspx
Saturday, June 13
9 a.m.-noon 22nd annual Take a Stake in the Lakes Clean-Up, Information Center Memorial Union - Alumni Pier located between Red Gym and Memorial Union on Lake Mendota: Volunteer shoreline cleanup of Lakes Mendota and Kegonsa, along with other places across the county.
Sunday, June 14
All-day Lower Wisconsin Riverway 20th Anniversary Paddle from Prairie du Sac to Arena. Paddle in a replica voyageur canoe along the 14-mile stretch that makes up Dane County’s northwestern border. Mark Cupp, Lower Wisconsin State Riverway Board Executive Director, will share information about the Riverway’s achievements over the past 20 years and other interesting Wisconsin River facts along the way. For more information or to register, go here.
Thursday, June 18
5:30 p.m. at the Madison Club, Terrace Room, Dane County Waters Champions Awards Ceremony. Recognizing how groups and individuals are working to protect and enhance Dane County’s water resources. For more information, contact Marcia Hartwig at (608) 224-3746.
Saturday, June 20
9:00 a.m. – noon 22nd annual Take a Stake in the Lakes Clean-Up, Information Center at Law Park: Volunteer shoreline clean-up of Lakes Monona, Waubesa and Wingra.
For more information, and a full schedule of events, visit www.takeastakeinthelakes.com.
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What are those Black Spots on my Maple leaves?
Gypsy moths, Emerald Ash Borer and now the Maples? UW-Extension explains, no need to worry about the black spots on your Maple leaves:
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This spring the Dane County UWEX Horticulture staff have been inundated with calls and emails from homeowners reporting that leaves on their silver maples are blackening and falling off.
The symptoms are caused by two groups of fungi, according to Brian Hudelson, Plant Disease Diagnostics Clinic director on campus. One is called anthracnose, the other, Venturia leaf blotch. For most trees, both are usually just a cosmetic problem rather than a significant health issue.
“We get these calls very commonly when we have cool, wet spring weather,” says Lisa Johnson, the Dane County UWEX Horticulture Educator. “Anthracnose also can infect ash and oak, so some years, we get calls about the disease on these trees as well. People are happy to hear that it is generally not a major problem. Typically, we don’t recommend a chemical treatment for anthracnose or Venturia leaf blotch; only to rake up any fallen infected leaves so that they can’t provide more inoculum for future infections.” Both diseases should disappear as the weather becomes warmer and drier over the season.
The diseases can be problematic for young trees that have recently been planted and have fewer leaves to begin with, or for larger trees that have been completely defoliated by the disease several years in a row. In those cases, chemical control may be warranted. However, at this time, since most fungicide products protect against new infections rather than cure those already present, it is too late to spray. To learn more about available chemical treatments and when to apply them, visit the online factsheet for anthracnose here.
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Join A Committee, Make it Count!
As the Mayor boots people off committees, we have openings, on some of those same committees . . . My advice is pick something you are passionate about, get appointed for one term and make it count! Don't expect to be reappointed if you disagree with the Mayor! Thanks again to Alder Rhodes-Conway for making the reports from the Mayor's office useful.
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More information on City Committees is here. If you're interested, you can fill out an application here. A list of
vacancies is here. Right now, there are vacancies on the following committees:
Affirmative Action Commission
Community Development Block Grant Commission (low income rep)
Commission on People with Disabilities
Downtown Coordinating Committee
Early Childhood Care and Education Board
Economic Development Commission (bio tech rep)
Commission on the Environment
Committee on Community Gardens
Parking Council for People with Disabilities
Pedestrian, Bicycle, Motor Vehicle Commission
Public Safety Review Board
Senior Citizens Advisory Committee
Sustainable Design and Energy Committee
Vending Oversight Committee
Zoning Board of Appeals
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Friday, June 5, 2009
Resisting . . . Urge . . .To . . .
Spend another day off at Morningwood Farms . . . Two weeks ago I spent the day there with my mom and sister and made another haul . . .
Still trying to figure out where the sun and the shade is at my new house, but here's part of my balcony, where I also have herbs and vegetables planted.
And the pots in the front of my house . . .
But there's still lots of work to do . . . lots of work for such a tiny lot . . . in a few years, hopefully I'll have it all together.
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Still trying to figure out where the sun and the shade is at my new house, but here's part of my balcony, where I also have herbs and vegetables planted.
And the pots in the front of my house . . .
But there's still lots of work to do . . . lots of work for such a tiny lot . . . in a few years, hopefully I'll have it all together.
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The Friday Snarkarama
I have about 30 blog topics in my queue that I haven't gotten to, I might not have snarky comments about all of them, but somehow, by Friday, some people just inspire me.
ARTICLE ON THE MAYOR
Yawn. Can you imagine what the article might have said if Kristin could have gotten people to speak "ON THE RECORD", that would have been much, much more interesting. Here's a bit of that truth posted to a listserve:
Rate went up, kinda. Over the next 6 weeks. I usually just keep plugging money in til I get the number of minutes I need, but those who need to know how much they are paying per hour might want to read the meters.
HOUSING DIVERSITY COMMITTEE
Hmmm . . . I find out that when they say they will meet in August for the first time, that what they really mean is the last possible date in August, August 31st. After my blog post, however, there was a scramble to try to get them to meet in June. I wonder if they will be successful. I just love these committees that the council approves and the mayor stalls in appointing and then don't meet. Why bother setting report deadlines if they don't even meet until after the report is due. It says volumes about the Mayor's priorities.
TALK ABOUT PRIORITIES
1. Apparently, the Mayor doesn't care about historic preservation, even tho he says he's a strong supporter. Anyone, EVER, seen any evidence of that? Ever? Worse yet, what about the impact that not filling positions has on staff.
2. Too bad the Council can't weigh in on these priorities - just get the information if they request it. (How about making it truly available and emailing it to them when the statements are written and then putting it on the website?)
3. Most importantly, I've talked to a few staff who are suffering from the lack of support in their units. There are some staff who are working very hard, are very stressed and there doesn't appear to be relief in sight. I didn't hear the Mayor mention the impact on staff in his blog, or that this was part of the decision making process. It makes me really sad to see how hard some of our staff work without recognition and then get insult on top of injury by the Mayor not at least acknowledging it is tough on them. Next time you see some of the hard working staff, not the ones with the high ranking names and titles, but the people who do the work, be sure to thank them!! Our staff is one of the City's greatest assets and it is not being appropriately supported or appreciated, IMHO.
CRIME IS DOWN
For the second year in a row. Go figure. It seems only FEAR is up.
LOBBYIST SPECIAL INVITE
DISAPPOINTMENT OF THE WEEK
Mike Verveer. I hate it when it is one of your own! Emily Mills is thoughtful as usual. However, its a free speech, right to assemble, right to use public spaces etc etc etc issue. Street musicians should not be charged! Bad Mike.
WHO KNOWS?
Alder Rhodes-Conway shared and email from someone trying to get some information from the city. This is just embarrassing.
THAT'S ALL?
$10,000? My guess is that the city is very, very lucky. I always wondered what was in that envelope that Baumann handed Cieslewicz when she left office - from the looks on the faces of the folks in the room, it was pretty grim. My guess is that, from the rumors I have heard, it should have been more women complaining and more money shelled out!
ITS ABOUT FREAKING TIME!
Jason Joyce from the Isthmus has been a staunch defender of his whiner neighbors and the hiring of 30 cops based on their "whites only" meeting they had. But, he finally caved, and is seeing that maybe, just maybe, there's more to the issue and perhaps some are over-reacting. Now, if we could just get him to support an inclusive neighborhood discussion of the issues going on (instead of a press opportunity) and a discussion about what the solutions, beyond policing, might be! I call it progress, but there's a long way to go in resolving issues that we're sure to keep hearing about as the police look for new "tools". Perhaps, the tools shouldn't come from the police department?
That's it folks, the blogging queue is still quite long . . . but the day is too nice to keep sitting at the computer on a day off!
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ARTICLE ON THE MAYOR
Yawn. Can you imagine what the article might have said if Kristin could have gotten people to speak "ON THE RECORD", that would have been much, much more interesting. Here's a bit of that truth posted to a listserve:
. . . there was nothing about the most recent Property Tax issue. I saw the brief letter he sent out thanking everyone for their work on this issue especially Mario, which is surprising because there was nothing about how his office totally supported what had caused this and what we had been meeting with him for a year trying to get his staff to stop pursuing the tax exemption. Some kind of leadership there and no vision at all of what this policy would create. Late and only supportive when there was political pressure and even then he seemed upset that we were questioning his commitment.PARKING RATES GOING UP
Rate went up, kinda. Over the next 6 weeks. I usually just keep plugging money in til I get the number of minutes I need, but those who need to know how much they are paying per hour might want to read the meters.
HOUSING DIVERSITY COMMITTEE
Hmmm . . . I find out that when they say they will meet in August for the first time, that what they really mean is the last possible date in August, August 31st. After my blog post, however, there was a scramble to try to get them to meet in June. I wonder if they will be successful. I just love these committees that the council approves and the mayor stalls in appointing and then don't meet. Why bother setting report deadlines if they don't even meet until after the report is due. It says volumes about the Mayor's priorities.
TALK ABOUT PRIORITIES
1. Apparently, the Mayor doesn't care about historic preservation, even tho he says he's a strong supporter. Anyone, EVER, seen any evidence of that? Ever? Worse yet, what about the impact that not filling positions has on staff.
2. Too bad the Council can't weigh in on these priorities - just get the information if they request it. (How about making it truly available and emailing it to them when the statements are written and then putting it on the website?)
3. Most importantly, I've talked to a few staff who are suffering from the lack of support in their units. There are some staff who are working very hard, are very stressed and there doesn't appear to be relief in sight. I didn't hear the Mayor mention the impact on staff in his blog, or that this was part of the decision making process. It makes me really sad to see how hard some of our staff work without recognition and then get insult on top of injury by the Mayor not at least acknowledging it is tough on them. Next time you see some of the hard working staff, not the ones with the high ranking names and titles, but the people who do the work, be sure to thank them!! Our staff is one of the City's greatest assets and it is not being appropriately supported or appreciated, IMHO.
CRIME IS DOWN
For the second year in a row. Go figure. It seems only FEAR is up.
LOBBYIST SPECIAL INVITE
There will be a briefing by city staff on the Zoning Code Rewrite on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 at 5:30 p.m. in Room 201, CCB (before the Council meeting that evening).Hmmm . . . why just Carole and Brian? Hmmm . . . .
Rick Roll from the Planning, Community & Economic Department will be briefing alders.
Carol Schaeffer and Brian Munson will also be present to provide their perspectives/observations on the Zoning Code Rewrite.
An agenda will be sent out later this week.
DISAPPOINTMENT OF THE WEEK
Mike Verveer. I hate it when it is one of your own! Emily Mills is thoughtful as usual. However, its a free speech, right to assemble, right to use public spaces etc etc etc issue. Street musicians should not be charged! Bad Mike.
WHO KNOWS?
Alder Rhodes-Conway shared and email from someone trying to get some information from the city. This is just embarrassing.
I tried to find out what percentage of City employees live in Madison. The Mayors office didn't know. The city human resources office didn't know. The comptrollers office offered to run some kind of search. The State Journal didn't know but said that they would contact the comptroller and let me know the results. It seems like a valuable indicator of some sort.For those of you wondering the answer. 61%
THAT'S ALL?
$10,000? My guess is that the city is very, very lucky. I always wondered what was in that envelope that Baumann handed Cieslewicz when she left office - from the looks on the faces of the folks in the room, it was pretty grim. My guess is that, from the rumors I have heard, it should have been more women complaining and more money shelled out!
ITS ABOUT FREAKING TIME!
Jason Joyce from the Isthmus has been a staunch defender of his whiner neighbors and the hiring of 30 cops based on their "whites only" meeting they had. But, he finally caved, and is seeing that maybe, just maybe, there's more to the issue and perhaps some are over-reacting. Now, if we could just get him to support an inclusive neighborhood discussion of the issues going on (instead of a press opportunity) and a discussion about what the solutions, beyond policing, might be! I call it progress, but there's a long way to go in resolving issues that we're sure to keep hearing about as the police look for new "tools". Perhaps, the tools shouldn't come from the police department?
That's it folks, the blogging queue is still quite long . . . but the day is too nice to keep sitting at the computer on a day off!
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County Board Recap
Not much on the agenda, but here it is for what it is worth . . .
all 74 pages and 55 [orderly] minutes.
A. ROLL CALL
The following people were absent: 33 present, 4 missiong - Stubbs, and 2 others [Tivoe'd it and couldn't hear who was gone and they don't repeat it like the City Clerk does], Hampton was Excused
1. Prayer/Inspirational Message - Supervisor Stoebig
- County Hwy worker on Hwy 151 was killed today. Name not yet released. Asks to bow their heads and a small prayer.
2. Pledge of Allegiance - Supervisor Stoebig
B. SPECIAL MATTERS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS 1. Res 1, 09-10 - Celebrating Maureen Arcand's 80th Birthday
Supervisor Rusk reads the resolution, sponsored with Supervisor Vedder - Maureen was there. Rusk says that she was born in Dane County in 1929, wasn't supposed to live more than 6 weeks, and if she survived, she would be just fine. She went to Mt. Horeb High School, she was mainstreamed. Maureen spoke, Dave Ripp is the only one that was on the board when she served. Being on the County Board was one of the highlights of her life, was able to educate people about the needs of people with disabilities and continues to do that. She learned to respect people, even those who don't agree with her, and she still feels that was about anyone who runs for public office, they should be respected. She thanks Paul and everyone for commemorating her. Says Dane County is a very special place in her mind.
Vedder speaks to say Maureen is a mentor from way back, even from before she was on the board, knew her through her advocacy work she did with Access to Independence. When Movin' Out had their big party, it was a very special event. Peter Leidy did a song, and she had alot of people there to say its great. Vedder says she can make it six years. Thanks her for everything she has done for the community.
McDonell says that honored former County Board Chair George Harb(?) on his 100th birthday and hopes they can do the same for her. He says that at that time, she'll still only recognize Dave Ripp.
2. Dane County Safety & Working Conditions Safety Committee - Safety awards presentation - Lt. Mark Twambly
Hesselbein moves to postpone due to the death of the worker today and asks drivers to please slow down.
3. Announcements
Salov - Dane County Breakfast on the Farm posters out front - Hinchley's [sp?]on Hwy 73 on Sat the 13th, Breakfast 7 - 11, Pam Janke and others will be there. Crowning of first Dane County Fairest of the Fair, Alice in Dairyland will be there, farm tours, horse drawn wagon rides, Soggy Prairie Boys will be making music, live broadcast on Q-106.
DeSmidt - Thanks Mayor and others for stepping in to try to stop the closing of the Catholic Multi-cultural Center, asks people to contact Supervisors if you have used the center, we don't need to rely on religious organizations, the County, the government and others will make sure people have food on their tables. Thanks Lynn Green and her outrach people and ask people in need to call her, she'll do what she can.
de Felice - There a county road AB or Buckeye Road in his district that is a continuing concern because of speeding drivers and children, and they have reached an agreement with City and others to reduce speed from 35 to 30 and he is introducing an amendment and would like others to sign on.
Opitz - On behalf of Supervisor Hesselbein, after breakfast on the farm, on June 13th to come to the 2nd Annual Big Event in Middleton, citywide garage sale, live music and food at over 12 places, fireworks. So please come out.
Hulsey - After Breakfast on the Farm and Big Event come to Take a Stake in the Lakes, its the big event to clean up the Lakes, but don't have to wait that long on June 6th there is the Clean Lakes Festival sponsored by Mad City Ski Team, DeJope and others and goes 9 - 9, there's a run, canoe races, demo boats, music. June 11th is Paddle to Work Day, that starts at Olbrich. Two weeks from tonight they will have the Clean Water Campions there and a report on Clean Up the Lakes. Was swimming in Lake Wingra and it was cleaner than it has been in 10 years since they took out the carp. A neighbor was fishing this weekend and he said the water in Lake Mendota and say 2 big sturgeons swimming. Extra posters if people need them.
Downing - McDonell asks him if he is capping off the 13th, Downing says he hopes that you will have room on your calendars. 25 Western Dane County Artists invited you to Overture last month, this month the same artists would like to invite you to their studios the over three days the 12th to the 14th, starts at 11 am. Springarttour.com is more info. Holds up poster with examples of art. Come on out to the driftless area.
Ferrell - Nothing on the 13th, a couple days before that Blue and Gold invasion, Monday - Thursday next week, instead of Ash Borer or Gypsy Moth invasion. Come see young and old farmers at the FAA convention, he attended 4 years when he was younger.
Stoebig - Circulating a resolution providing Dane County Board Support for legislation to deal with Pay Day lending Consumer Protection Act. There was a press conference him and Chair McDonell were at, the bill has 48 co-sponsors in Assembly and Senate, not sure if it will pass, but intent is to get as much organizational and government support. Counted 5 pay day loan businesses in his district in 3 blocks on E Wash and says that there are more payday loan businesses than McDonalds. Hoping to turn back financial deregulation that happened in this state in the early 90s. Please think about sponsoring.
McDonell - No special matter from Memorial High School today, thought he might have made a mistake on the calendar. Two birthdays this month. Levin on the 3rd. The clerk, Bob Olson on the 28th. [He's not there tonight] Says he must be celebrating now.
C. BILLS AND ACCOUNTS
1. Claims Recommended for Approval
Motion to approve Stoebig/Hulsey. No discussion. Passes on voice vote.
D. APPROVAL OF PROCEEDINGS - May 7 & 21, 2009
Motion to approve Matano/deFelice. No discussion. Passes on a voice vote.
E. CONSENT CALENDAR
1. Res 17, 09-10 - Buy Local, Buy American with Economic Recovery Funds (Adopt)
Motion is adoption. No objection, recorded as passed unanimously.
Not quite 7:30 so skip item G.
I. AWARD OF CONTRACTS 1. Res 19, 09-10 - Change order for Stewart Lake Shoreline Dredge (Adopt/Adopt with Amdt.)
Motion is adoption. Also amendment from Personnel and Finance but that is not before them and someone would have to move that here. [No one does] Or not. Finally Ripp moves finance amendment, seconded by deSmidt. Motion passes on a voice vote, no discussion.
Resolution 19 as amended is before them. No discusion. Passes on a voice vote.
J. RESOLUTIONS 1. Res 258, 08-09 - Authorizing the Acquisition of Land from Lyman F. Anderson Family (Adopt Sub 1 with Amdt.)
Adoption of sub 1 with amendment. One registrant Bill White in support and available to answer questions. Supervisor Jensen, moves sub 1. McDonell says its before them. Jensen says he was at a press conference at the farm and has spoken at the board when he introduced it and ihe does it with mixed feelings. All know Lyman Anderson was a former county board member, and environmentalist and an educator, and when he passed away he owned 400 acres of farm land and it was $20,000 per acre. When Pat inherited it, they worked out the tax situation but if something happened to Pat the kids would have to sell the land to pay the taxes and Lyman wouldn't have wanted that, he would have wanted the land to be kept together. The deal that has been worked out between the county and Anderson Family will keep the farm as one unit, it will remain a farm as long as we are all around, other farmers will rent the land and keep it farmed as Lyman would want it. Goes through specifics. Entire farm in one unit will further educational and recreational opportunities, with the donation of the quarry. When there is a zoning petition they can show how to be a good neighbor, the family is selling the land for half the appraised voice, and create an endowment for maintenance. Lyman would rant wabout how city buys land and doesn't set aside money for maintenance, the county might not do that, but the family will. The educational opportunity of the quarry. Sub 1, because of our fiscal problems, the first purchase will be in two installments, the first as soon as we can and the second no sooner than 7/15/2010.
Ferrell - Says all recently recieved the press release to cut back on capital borrowing, but we are buying this to honor our commitment. He asks what aobut our commitment to others in need, they deserve our help too. Says the debt service on this purchase of $750,000 for this years purchase will be $62,000 for just this this year to be paid in next years budget, and it will be paid for the next 20 years. And an additional quarter of a million dollars [that's what he said, but I don't think that was what he meant] in 2012 and and 2013. So, when people come to us this fall, just remember that we just spent $62,000 out of our operating budget for the next 20 years. Says EANR has an agriculture subcommittee and working on that agenda and trying to find out how to get new farmers and perserve farm land. Says the land won't remain, we will take 280 acres out of production over the years. If they were debating a development for 280 acres and taking 280 acres out of production, they wouldn't be there discussing this. Also taking $12,000 in property taxes also won't be paid based on 2008 taxes. $2200 goes into the county cofers, $1500 to the Town of Oregon and they have to make that up. $7,000 comes out of School, hopes that they appreciate our efforts. Says he never met Lyman Anderson, has his vion of him, thinks he was probably a wonderful man, read and heard alot of him, talked to alot of people who knew him. If this was the John Anderson or John Smith farm, would we be doing this. Sometimes you have to step back and think about it. Urges people to vote no.
Hulsey - says he moved to postpone a month ago, told the family then and asked the family "what would Lyman do" and served with Lyman, thinks he tried to put the conserve back in conservative and supports what Jensen says. Says it will be available for beginning farmers, can't afford to buy land, but can rent it. Last week Personnel and Finance did freeze half of the capital spending ($25 million), getting information on what state is doing to us, 3% cuts in shared revenue and others. $25M froze will save $3M next year. They are going line by line to see what else they can do. Feels comfortable honoring commitment to Lyman and family, but we have told staff don't go forward with any more land purchases unless consults with Personnel and Finance and they have set a high bar. Says that this meets that and it will be a wonderful park and urges people to support the sub.
Hendrick - also supports the resolution. Points out that this meets a need in the Parks and Open Space plan and they are acquiring land for recreation and open space for a couple good reasons, improves quality of life of everyone in the county, people with human service needs, people with special needs, everyone benefits. Another lesser known benefit, whenever there is open space, the land around it increases in value, increases in tax assessments, so they will collect more taxes for county, which will also be shared with town and village. The increase will outweigh the use value assessment on farm land and taking it off the tax rolls. Knew Lyman for many years, doesn't presume to know how he would vote tonight. He would not want his farm developed, but when they honored him, they were all giving speeches and when they called on him, he said that he wanted to remind people that he voted against the building they were naming after him. So, not so sure only doing this for Lyman, but doing it for Dane County and he requests a roll call.
McDonell says he remembers J Michael Blaska and Lyman going to battle over that building.
Jensen - Says farm land in some point in the very, very distant future may be taken out of production, but if this doesn't pass, that will happen very soon. They are preserving farm land. What the resolution does not say, there are three homes on the farm, the homes and structures will all stay in ownership of the Andersons, so the county is only buying the vacant land. The tax losses will be very minimal.
Martz - Also knew Lyman, good friend and advisor/mentor. One of his concerns is that parks are a great thing when we have money and quesitons if we need this now. But it concerns him that the body has debated over and over about turcks, quarries and the making of this park takes a railroad line, partially owned by Village of Oregon and City of Fitchburg and makes it a bike trail. In most cases, so what, but this is the only rail corridor that goes from Madison to the hub in Evansville and connects to the national rail line. In 1999 the Village of Oregon and City of Fitchburg bought it hoping to get trains back. He says that Lyman wanted trains to run by his farm again. Says that the rail line might cause businesses to come to Madison if this corridor were to stay in place. He says that it is also potential for commuter rail with RTA. Says you might be eliminating the only rail system that has the right of way for two rails. Biggest concern is that this will cause the rail line and potential for that rail line to be eliminated. If commuter rail with park on both sides of the rail, won't that defeat the purpose, to build high density living quarters along the rail corridor. If this is a park, how will that happen. Points out the issues so they take it into consideration as they vote. We advocate for many things like park land or commuter rail and this purchase flies in the face of many previous resolutions before the board.
Gau - does know Lyman Anderson, understands his issues, won't talk about the family, but instead county policies. Conservation Fund is used to buy property, for land that needs to be purchased to protect environment, 12% slopes, protect corridors or have environmental issues on it. Looking at those definitions, this parcel doesn't meet those criteria. The other thing is that no matter what you do tonight, or what the costs are, he understands what the family is going through, however, he also (talks about Middleton chunk of land) he wants to see the local communities contribute. Doesn't see Town and Village of Oregon contributing. Talking about policies, not emotions. Can't tell you his vote yet, but those are the things on his mind.
Hendrick - Supervisors should be aware that bike trails are a proven way to preserve rail corridors. Modern development of bike and rail corridors together is a trend. Points out nexus of development and rail projects is not that people want to live next to the trains, they want to live next to the stations, not all along the railroad.
Opitz - previous speaker made many of his points. Public Works and Transportation did talk about the rail issues, Martz raised the issues at that time, and what they said there is that there is no reason why the rails would be removed, bike trails can be contiguous to the rail and if there was a rail stop, it would be in downtown Oregon, not at the park site. So, he appreciates the interest, but the portion that we are voting on tonight is not immediately next to the rail line, that is in the second phase.
de Felice - Fantastically generous offer by the family. They are getting the land at half price and creating an endowment fund to maintain the property and they are selling it in phases so we can adjust accordingly. As supervisors we have to balance to present and the future and this unique opportunity preserves the past for the present and the future. This is the right time, a good buy. Please vote in favor.
O'Laughlin - Sat in front of Lyman for 4 - 6 years and one of his phrases was "a deal is a deal" whether written verbal or handshake. When we entered into this we weren't in this fiscal position, but the money was in the budget. But, we're worried, so the Anderson family asked to sit down and make a deal and that is what we have done. He goes back to "a deal is a deal".
No further discussion.
AYE: Stoebig, Vedder, Veldran, Vogel, Wheeler, Bayrd, de Felice, DeSmidt, Downing, Erickson, Hendrick, Hesselbein, Hulsey, Jensen, Kostelic, Levin, Manning, Matano, Miles, O'Laughlin, Opitz, Richmond, Ripp, Rusk, Salov, Schmidt, Solberg, McDonell
NO: Wiganowsky, Willett, Bruskewitz, Ferrell, Gau, Martz, Schlicht
ABSENT: Stubbs, Hampton
28 ayes, 7 nos, 2 absent, motion carries.
G. REPORTS AND ZONING PETITIONS
a. Map of Dane County
b. Summary of Grant as Modified Petitions
1. Petition 9555 - Town of Perry - Town of Perry (Deny)
2. Petition 10038 - Town of Vermont - Bernhard Magnuson (Grant)
3. Petition 10039 - Town of Springfield - Albert Meinholtz (Grant as Modified)
4. Petition 10040 - Town of Christiana - David Smithback (Grant as Modified)
5. Petition 10041 - Town of Vienna - Henry Land LLC (Grant)
6. Petition 10042 - Town of Oregon - Trosper Tr, Grayson & Marjorie (Grant as Modified)
7. Petition 10043 - Town of Burke - Vetesnik Enterprises LLC (Grant as Modified)
8. Petition 10044 - Town of Dunkirk - Kevin Hanson (Grant)
9. Petition 10045 - Town of Dunkirk - William Taplick (Grant as Modified)
10. Petition 10046 - Town of Perry - Kenneth Hefty (Grant as Modified)
No motions to separate. Committee recommendations are before them. No discussion. Passes on voice vote.
M. SUCH OTHER BUSINESS AS THE COUNTY BOARD IS AUTHORIZED TO CONDUCT BY LAW
None.
N. ADJOURNMENT - Until Thursday, June 18, 2009 7:00 Or the Call of the Chair
Motion to adjourn by Opitz second by Erickson. No discussion. Passes on voice vote.
Meeting done in 55 minutes.
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A. ROLL CALL
The following people were absent: 33 present, 4 missiong - Stubbs, and 2 others [Tivoe'd it and couldn't hear who was gone and they don't repeat it like the City Clerk does], Hampton was Excused
1. Prayer/Inspirational Message - Supervisor Stoebig
- County Hwy worker on Hwy 151 was killed today. Name not yet released. Asks to bow their heads and a small prayer.
2. Pledge of Allegiance - Supervisor Stoebig
B. SPECIAL MATTERS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS 1. Res 1, 09-10 - Celebrating Maureen Arcand's 80th Birthday
Supervisor Rusk reads the resolution, sponsored with Supervisor Vedder - Maureen was there. Rusk says that she was born in Dane County in 1929, wasn't supposed to live more than 6 weeks, and if she survived, she would be just fine. She went to Mt. Horeb High School, she was mainstreamed. Maureen spoke, Dave Ripp is the only one that was on the board when she served. Being on the County Board was one of the highlights of her life, was able to educate people about the needs of people with disabilities and continues to do that. She learned to respect people, even those who don't agree with her, and she still feels that was about anyone who runs for public office, they should be respected. She thanks Paul and everyone for commemorating her. Says Dane County is a very special place in her mind.
Vedder speaks to say Maureen is a mentor from way back, even from before she was on the board, knew her through her advocacy work she did with Access to Independence. When Movin' Out had their big party, it was a very special event. Peter Leidy did a song, and she had alot of people there to say its great. Vedder says she can make it six years. Thanks her for everything she has done for the community.
McDonell says that honored former County Board Chair George Harb(?) on his 100th birthday and hopes they can do the same for her. He says that at that time, she'll still only recognize Dave Ripp.
2. Dane County Safety & Working Conditions Safety Committee - Safety awards presentation - Lt. Mark Twambly
Hesselbein moves to postpone due to the death of the worker today and asks drivers to please slow down.
3. Announcements
Salov - Dane County Breakfast on the Farm posters out front - Hinchley's [sp?]on Hwy 73 on Sat the 13th, Breakfast 7 - 11, Pam Janke and others will be there. Crowning of first Dane County Fairest of the Fair, Alice in Dairyland will be there, farm tours, horse drawn wagon rides, Soggy Prairie Boys will be making music, live broadcast on Q-106.
DeSmidt - Thanks Mayor and others for stepping in to try to stop the closing of the Catholic Multi-cultural Center, asks people to contact Supervisors if you have used the center, we don't need to rely on religious organizations, the County, the government and others will make sure people have food on their tables. Thanks Lynn Green and her outrach people and ask people in need to call her, she'll do what she can.
de Felice - There a county road AB or Buckeye Road in his district that is a continuing concern because of speeding drivers and children, and they have reached an agreement with City and others to reduce speed from 35 to 30 and he is introducing an amendment and would like others to sign on.
Opitz - On behalf of Supervisor Hesselbein, after breakfast on the farm, on June 13th to come to the 2nd Annual Big Event in Middleton, citywide garage sale, live music and food at over 12 places, fireworks. So please come out.
Hulsey - After Breakfast on the Farm and Big Event come to Take a Stake in the Lakes, its the big event to clean up the Lakes, but don't have to wait that long on June 6th there is the Clean Lakes Festival sponsored by Mad City Ski Team, DeJope and others and goes 9 - 9, there's a run, canoe races, demo boats, music. June 11th is Paddle to Work Day, that starts at Olbrich. Two weeks from tonight they will have the Clean Water Campions there and a report on Clean Up the Lakes. Was swimming in Lake Wingra and it was cleaner than it has been in 10 years since they took out the carp. A neighbor was fishing this weekend and he said the water in Lake Mendota and say 2 big sturgeons swimming. Extra posters if people need them.
Downing - McDonell asks him if he is capping off the 13th, Downing says he hopes that you will have room on your calendars. 25 Western Dane County Artists invited you to Overture last month, this month the same artists would like to invite you to their studios the over three days the 12th to the 14th, starts at 11 am. Springarttour.com is more info. Holds up poster with examples of art. Come on out to the driftless area.
Ferrell - Nothing on the 13th, a couple days before that Blue and Gold invasion, Monday - Thursday next week, instead of Ash Borer or Gypsy Moth invasion. Come see young and old farmers at the FAA convention, he attended 4 years when he was younger.
Stoebig - Circulating a resolution providing Dane County Board Support for legislation to deal with Pay Day lending Consumer Protection Act. There was a press conference him and Chair McDonell were at, the bill has 48 co-sponsors in Assembly and Senate, not sure if it will pass, but intent is to get as much organizational and government support. Counted 5 pay day loan businesses in his district in 3 blocks on E Wash and says that there are more payday loan businesses than McDonalds. Hoping to turn back financial deregulation that happened in this state in the early 90s. Please think about sponsoring.
McDonell - No special matter from Memorial High School today, thought he might have made a mistake on the calendar. Two birthdays this month. Levin on the 3rd. The clerk, Bob Olson on the 28th. [He's not there tonight] Says he must be celebrating now.
C. BILLS AND ACCOUNTS
1. Claims Recommended for Approval
Motion to approve Stoebig/Hulsey. No discussion. Passes on voice vote.
D. APPROVAL OF PROCEEDINGS - May 7 & 21, 2009
Motion to approve Matano/deFelice. No discussion. Passes on a voice vote.
E. CONSENT CALENDAR
1. Res 17, 09-10 - Buy Local, Buy American with Economic Recovery Funds (Adopt)
Motion is adoption. No objection, recorded as passed unanimously.
Not quite 7:30 so skip item G.
I. AWARD OF CONTRACTS 1. Res 19, 09-10 - Change order for Stewart Lake Shoreline Dredge (Adopt/Adopt with Amdt.)
Motion is adoption. Also amendment from Personnel and Finance but that is not before them and someone would have to move that here. [No one does] Or not. Finally Ripp moves finance amendment, seconded by deSmidt. Motion passes on a voice vote, no discussion.
Resolution 19 as amended is before them. No discusion. Passes on a voice vote.
J. RESOLUTIONS 1. Res 258, 08-09 - Authorizing the Acquisition of Land from Lyman F. Anderson Family (Adopt Sub 1 with Amdt.)
Adoption of sub 1 with amendment. One registrant Bill White in support and available to answer questions. Supervisor Jensen, moves sub 1. McDonell says its before them. Jensen says he was at a press conference at the farm and has spoken at the board when he introduced it and ihe does it with mixed feelings. All know Lyman Anderson was a former county board member, and environmentalist and an educator, and when he passed away he owned 400 acres of farm land and it was $20,000 per acre. When Pat inherited it, they worked out the tax situation but if something happened to Pat the kids would have to sell the land to pay the taxes and Lyman wouldn't have wanted that, he would have wanted the land to be kept together. The deal that has been worked out between the county and Anderson Family will keep the farm as one unit, it will remain a farm as long as we are all around, other farmers will rent the land and keep it farmed as Lyman would want it. Goes through specifics. Entire farm in one unit will further educational and recreational opportunities, with the donation of the quarry. When there is a zoning petition they can show how to be a good neighbor, the family is selling the land for half the appraised voice, and create an endowment for maintenance. Lyman would rant wabout how city buys land and doesn't set aside money for maintenance, the county might not do that, but the family will. The educational opportunity of the quarry. Sub 1, because of our fiscal problems, the first purchase will be in two installments, the first as soon as we can and the second no sooner than 7/15/2010.
Ferrell - Says all recently recieved the press release to cut back on capital borrowing, but we are buying this to honor our commitment. He asks what aobut our commitment to others in need, they deserve our help too. Says the debt service on this purchase of $750,000 for this years purchase will be $62,000 for just this this year to be paid in next years budget, and it will be paid for the next 20 years. And an additional quarter of a million dollars [that's what he said, but I don't think that was what he meant] in 2012 and and 2013. So, when people come to us this fall, just remember that we just spent $62,000 out of our operating budget for the next 20 years. Says EANR has an agriculture subcommittee and working on that agenda and trying to find out how to get new farmers and perserve farm land. Says the land won't remain, we will take 280 acres out of production over the years. If they were debating a development for 280 acres and taking 280 acres out of production, they wouldn't be there discussing this. Also taking $12,000 in property taxes also won't be paid based on 2008 taxes. $2200 goes into the county cofers, $1500 to the Town of Oregon and they have to make that up. $7,000 comes out of School, hopes that they appreciate our efforts. Says he never met Lyman Anderson, has his vion of him, thinks he was probably a wonderful man, read and heard alot of him, talked to alot of people who knew him. If this was the John Anderson or John Smith farm, would we be doing this. Sometimes you have to step back and think about it. Urges people to vote no.
Hulsey - says he moved to postpone a month ago, told the family then and asked the family "what would Lyman do" and served with Lyman, thinks he tried to put the conserve back in conservative and supports what Jensen says. Says it will be available for beginning farmers, can't afford to buy land, but can rent it. Last week Personnel and Finance did freeze half of the capital spending ($25 million), getting information on what state is doing to us, 3% cuts in shared revenue and others. $25M froze will save $3M next year. They are going line by line to see what else they can do. Feels comfortable honoring commitment to Lyman and family, but we have told staff don't go forward with any more land purchases unless consults with Personnel and Finance and they have set a high bar. Says that this meets that and it will be a wonderful park and urges people to support the sub.
Hendrick - also supports the resolution. Points out that this meets a need in the Parks and Open Space plan and they are acquiring land for recreation and open space for a couple good reasons, improves quality of life of everyone in the county, people with human service needs, people with special needs, everyone benefits. Another lesser known benefit, whenever there is open space, the land around it increases in value, increases in tax assessments, so they will collect more taxes for county, which will also be shared with town and village. The increase will outweigh the use value assessment on farm land and taking it off the tax rolls. Knew Lyman for many years, doesn't presume to know how he would vote tonight. He would not want his farm developed, but when they honored him, they were all giving speeches and when they called on him, he said that he wanted to remind people that he voted against the building they were naming after him. So, not so sure only doing this for Lyman, but doing it for Dane County and he requests a roll call.
McDonell says he remembers J Michael Blaska and Lyman going to battle over that building.
Jensen - Says farm land in some point in the very, very distant future may be taken out of production, but if this doesn't pass, that will happen very soon. They are preserving farm land. What the resolution does not say, there are three homes on the farm, the homes and structures will all stay in ownership of the Andersons, so the county is only buying the vacant land. The tax losses will be very minimal.
Martz - Also knew Lyman, good friend and advisor/mentor. One of his concerns is that parks are a great thing when we have money and quesitons if we need this now. But it concerns him that the body has debated over and over about turcks, quarries and the making of this park takes a railroad line, partially owned by Village of Oregon and City of Fitchburg and makes it a bike trail. In most cases, so what, but this is the only rail corridor that goes from Madison to the hub in Evansville and connects to the national rail line. In 1999 the Village of Oregon and City of Fitchburg bought it hoping to get trains back. He says that Lyman wanted trains to run by his farm again. Says that the rail line might cause businesses to come to Madison if this corridor were to stay in place. He says that it is also potential for commuter rail with RTA. Says you might be eliminating the only rail system that has the right of way for two rails. Biggest concern is that this will cause the rail line and potential for that rail line to be eliminated. If commuter rail with park on both sides of the rail, won't that defeat the purpose, to build high density living quarters along the rail corridor. If this is a park, how will that happen. Points out the issues so they take it into consideration as they vote. We advocate for many things like park land or commuter rail and this purchase flies in the face of many previous resolutions before the board.
Gau - does know Lyman Anderson, understands his issues, won't talk about the family, but instead county policies. Conservation Fund is used to buy property, for land that needs to be purchased to protect environment, 12% slopes, protect corridors or have environmental issues on it. Looking at those definitions, this parcel doesn't meet those criteria. The other thing is that no matter what you do tonight, or what the costs are, he understands what the family is going through, however, he also (talks about Middleton chunk of land) he wants to see the local communities contribute. Doesn't see Town and Village of Oregon contributing. Talking about policies, not emotions. Can't tell you his vote yet, but those are the things on his mind.
Hendrick - Supervisors should be aware that bike trails are a proven way to preserve rail corridors. Modern development of bike and rail corridors together is a trend. Points out nexus of development and rail projects is not that people want to live next to the trains, they want to live next to the stations, not all along the railroad.
Opitz - previous speaker made many of his points. Public Works and Transportation did talk about the rail issues, Martz raised the issues at that time, and what they said there is that there is no reason why the rails would be removed, bike trails can be contiguous to the rail and if there was a rail stop, it would be in downtown Oregon, not at the park site. So, he appreciates the interest, but the portion that we are voting on tonight is not immediately next to the rail line, that is in the second phase.
de Felice - Fantastically generous offer by the family. They are getting the land at half price and creating an endowment fund to maintain the property and they are selling it in phases so we can adjust accordingly. As supervisors we have to balance to present and the future and this unique opportunity preserves the past for the present and the future. This is the right time, a good buy. Please vote in favor.
O'Laughlin - Sat in front of Lyman for 4 - 6 years and one of his phrases was "a deal is a deal" whether written verbal or handshake. When we entered into this we weren't in this fiscal position, but the money was in the budget. But, we're worried, so the Anderson family asked to sit down and make a deal and that is what we have done. He goes back to "a deal is a deal".
No further discussion.
AYE: Stoebig, Vedder, Veldran, Vogel, Wheeler, Bayrd, de Felice, DeSmidt, Downing, Erickson, Hendrick, Hesselbein, Hulsey, Jensen, Kostelic, Levin, Manning, Matano, Miles, O'Laughlin, Opitz, Richmond, Ripp, Rusk, Salov, Schmidt, Solberg, McDonell
NO: Wiganowsky, Willett, Bruskewitz, Ferrell, Gau, Martz, Schlicht
ABSENT: Stubbs, Hampton
28 ayes, 7 nos, 2 absent, motion carries.
G. REPORTS AND ZONING PETITIONS
a. Map of Dane County
b. Summary of Grant as Modified Petitions
1. Petition 9555 - Town of Perry - Town of Perry (Deny)
2. Petition 10038 - Town of Vermont - Bernhard Magnuson (Grant)
3. Petition 10039 - Town of Springfield - Albert Meinholtz (Grant as Modified)
4. Petition 10040 - Town of Christiana - David Smithback (Grant as Modified)
5. Petition 10041 - Town of Vienna - Henry Land LLC (Grant)
6. Petition 10042 - Town of Oregon - Trosper Tr, Grayson & Marjorie (Grant as Modified)
7. Petition 10043 - Town of Burke - Vetesnik Enterprises LLC (Grant as Modified)
8. Petition 10044 - Town of Dunkirk - Kevin Hanson (Grant)
9. Petition 10045 - Town of Dunkirk - William Taplick (Grant as Modified)
10. Petition 10046 - Town of Perry - Kenneth Hefty (Grant as Modified)
No motions to separate. Committee recommendations are before them. No discussion. Passes on voice vote.
M. SUCH OTHER BUSINESS AS THE COUNTY BOARD IS AUTHORIZED TO CONDUCT BY LAW
None.
N. ADJOURNMENT - Until Thursday, June 18, 2009 7:00 Or the Call of the Chair
Motion to adjourn by Opitz second by Erickson. No discussion. Passes on voice vote.
Meeting done in 55 minutes.
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How to Non-vite the Public to a Public Hearing
A recent example is a good place to start.
1. Make sure the notice for the public hearing doesn't include the information the public is supposed to be commenting or, or where to find it.
Here's how you would have to get to the information after seeing the notice.
A. See the press release on the city's website or,
B. Read about it in the Cap Times. Then,
C. Go to the Water Utility website and then,
D. Find where on the website the information is.
E. Then, read the information. There's the plan and now the power point.
If it takes 5 or 6 steps to get to the information, then you have to get to the meeting, how many people do you think showed up? And what conclusion do you think the people holding the public hearing will come up with. Likely, that the public isn't interested. Well, perhaps not that interested to go through all that work to get to the point where they even find out what they are commenting on. It shouldn't be this hard folks! Seriously, why not just attach the information to the original notice and cut out all the bullshit?
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1. Make sure the notice for the public hearing doesn't include the information the public is supposed to be commenting or, or where to find it.
Here's how you would have to get to the information after seeing the notice.
A. See the press release on the city's website or,
B. Read about it in the Cap Times. Then,
C. Go to the Water Utility website and then,
D. Find where on the website the information is.
E. Then, read the information. There's the plan and now the power point.
If it takes 5 or 6 steps to get to the information, then you have to get to the meeting, how many people do you think showed up? And what conclusion do you think the people holding the public hearing will come up with. Likely, that the public isn't interested. Well, perhaps not that interested to go through all that work to get to the point where they even find out what they are commenting on. It shouldn't be this hard folks! Seriously, why not just attach the information to the original notice and cut out all the bullshit?
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Thursday, June 4, 2009
Help the South Madison Library
Fundraiser, Friday & Saturday!
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Friends of the South Madison Branch Library Just-in-time for Summer Annual Book, AV and Bake Sale! Friday June 5, 9 a.m. - 8 p.m. and Saturday, June 6, 9 a.m. - 2 p.m. Loads of new and used books, CDs, DVDs, videos, books on Cd or cassette and more! Lots of books for kids and teens! Many books in Spanish, too! All at affordable prices! Plus delicious cookies, cakes and pies! South Madison Branch Library, 2222 S. Park St. Enter through the Harambee Center or library doors. (Bag Sale on Saturday at 1 p.m.- All you can fit in a paper grocery bag for $5.00!) For more information, call 266-6395.
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Regional Mass Transit in Action
Portage to Madison . . . started June 1.
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As of June 1, 2009 there is a shuttle once a day from Portage to the
North Transfer Point! A small bus goes from Portage in the morning and
returns to Portage in the evening (leaves NTP at 5:30). The bus holds
12 ambulatory riders and up to 2 wheelchairs. It is equipped with a
bicycle rack. It operates on weekdays and is $200/month. The price
includes a 31-day Metro pass.
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Fundraiser to Help with Health Care Costs
Ah, where to begin with the problems with health care and how it can wreak havoc on a person's life. Here's a chance to help someone in our community who is often helping everyone else!
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As you may have heard, Barbara Wright of The Dardanelles recently had
an emergency appendectomy, and as a small business owner with past
health issues, she doesn't have access to health insurance. The
operation came to $27,000, and although Meriter has forgiven some of
the debt, Barbara will be paying off the rest for years.
She agreed to let us do a fundraiser to help her only if half the
proceeds went to help others without insurance -- which is typical of
Barbara, who has been such a big supporter of every liberal and
humanitarian cause in Madison. So 50% of what is raised will go to
the Access Community Health Centers.
The Access to Health Care fundraiser will be held on Sunday, June 7
from 5:00 to 8:00 at The Dardanelles, 1851 Monroe Street. Local
restaurants and retailers are donating food and wine, and there will
be live music and an incredible silent auction of donated goods and
services. Tickets are $40 each, available at Orange Tree Imports,
1721 Monroe Street. There may also be tickets at the door.
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Extension of Capital City Trail
Capital City Trail extension hearing . . .
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Dane County Land and Water Resources Department to Host Public Information Meeting for Phase One Lower Yahara River Trail Planning
Dane County is working together with a stakeholder team and consulting firm Graef to prepare construction drawings and estimates for a multi use trail that would extend from the Capital City Trail at Lake Farm County Park to McDaniel Park in the Village of McFarland. The trail would be a combination of paved surface and boardwalk with several designated shore fishing stations. Provision of this trail is anticipated to reduce trespassing issues and improve safety on the Wisconsin and Southern Railroad Company active rail line that parallels the proposed trail. The planning effort is also investigating possible expansion of the existing railroad trestle at Lake Waubesa to improve both water flow and boat navigation. Dane County and their partners are currently seeking Federal transportation dollars that could fund up to 100 percent of construction costs.
A public information meeting to provide a project overview and solicit input will be held on Wednesday, June 17th, 2009 at 7:00 p.m. at the Lussier Family Heritage Center, 3101 Lake Farm Road, Madison, WI 53711.
For further information about the upcoming meeting, please contact Chris James, Dane County Parks Division at 608-224-3763.
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Council to Get Involved in Economic Development?
So, will they be told, or asked? Will they get to express their opinions and have an impact on the direction of the plan? Or will they be politely acknowledged and promptly ignored?
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Ald. Tim Bruer, Council President, has scheduled a Council briefing by city staff on the 2010 Economic Development Work Plan for Monday, June 22, 2009 at 6:00 p.m. (location TBD).
An agenda with more information will be sent out prior to the briefing.
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Remembering and Honoring Dr. George Tiller
Sunday, in Madison.
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A candlelight vigil will be held in memory of long time women’s health services advocate Dr. George Tiller this Sunday evening at 8 p.m. at Peace Park in Madison, WI.
Sunday, 6/7 at 8 p.m.
Lisa Link Peace Park
400 State Street, Madison, WI
A vigil will be held at the same date and time in Milwaukee at a location not yet determined. More information on the Milwaukee vigil will be shared as soon as it is available.
The vigil will be a welcoming memorial honoring the life of Dr. Tiller and mourning his death. This is also an opportunity to honor the commitment and dedication of providers in our own state of Wisconsin.
Please direct any questions to the NARAL Pro-Choice Wisconsin office at (608) 287-0016 or info@prochoicewisconsin.org.
If you are outside of the Madison or Milwaukee area and would like to plan a vigil for Sunday in your Wisconsin community, please contact the NARAL office at (608) 287-0016, and we will help you spread the word.
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More to come . . .
I have the next two days off, and lots to blog, it just won't be on my regular schedule. So check back.
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Council Recap - The Rest of the Meeting
Continued . . . .
BOARD OF PUBLIC WORKS
#40 SHERMAN TERRACE WATER MAINS
Robert Schniker - support - passes on speaking
Richard Meyer - Sherman Terrace was built in 1947, told that water mains put in there had a 50 year life expectancy, last two years spent $60,000 to fix water mains, trying to figure out how to do it piece by piece and came up with proposal. [The real credit here goes to Larry Nelson who met with myself and Nathan Brelsford and Jerry Rowe and came up with a solution. Thanks Larry!] Meyer explains that the highest selling units there go for $120K, they're not real fancy, good affordable comfortable housing. Many are on a fixed income, opportunity for this is that association couldn't borrow the money and have no assets, its a darn good thing if it goes through.
John Marhoefer - support - oldest member of board, served there for 12 years, investor, owns 7 units, wants to assure council has a professional board of directors, spends money prudently, $60,000 that they spent repairing broken water mains could have been spent on preventative maintenance. Will cost him personally $25,000 but still supports the installation of the new main and urges support.
Barbara Mazzoni - support - Sherman Terrace Condo Association - Very old established neighborhood, low income area, where people can afford to buy a small place to start or end up. Concern is that by fixing the water mains one at a time, wasting the water and natural resources and it will benefit the whole city to have the mains replaced. Needs council's help.
5 registrants in support not wishing to speak.
Palm asks any board member - Since board of public works, questions raised about one of the larger assessments. Says he expects amount of project to go down based on the bidding. Asks if they understand that if one assessment goes down, others might go up. Mazzoni says she just became aware the issue this afternoon with the commercial property. Been meeting, invited all the members of the condo association, notices went up in all the buildings, city engineers came to the meeting, but this is new.
# 41 - Reiner Rd - no registrants
# 42 - Lawrence St. - no registrants
Motion by Maniaci, refer item 40 to June 16 meeting. Maniaci says that this came up suddenly with he commercial owner. Says her understanding is that it won't impact the timeline for the project. Staff says schedule to bid wouldn't happen til after the next meeting anyways. Wanted to get project done in 2009 construction season. Leaks occur in winter and want to get it done before then.
41 & 42, move adoption.
PLAN COMMISSION
#43. Sign issue on Millpond Rd. One registrant - available to answer questions, no questions
#44. 12 single family homes and 2 school lots. One registrant, person from Middleton Cross Plains School Dist, in support, available to answer questions, no questions
#45. Union South - Gary Brown - support, available to answer question, no questions.
Approval, no discussion.
8:30, end of public hearings, now back to the separated items . . .
SEPARATED ITEMS
CITIZEN APPOINTMENTS
46 - Report of the Mayor submitting citizen committee appointments (introduced
5-19-2009; action 6-2-2009).
Moved adoption. There are speakers.
PUBLIC COMMENT
Carl DuRocher - no longer here.
Margaret Bergamini- there to speak to Transit and Parking Commission appointments, recommend that it be referred back to mayor and appoint Carl DuRocher. Explains that Carl DuRocher uses paratransit and his ride was scheduled and he had to leave [No irony there, eh?]. She says she felt strongly enough to come and speak because she relies on Carl and his knowledge and the relationships that he has built. Doesn't come here cuz always agrees with Carl, fundamentally disagreed on the fair increases but she respects his knowledge. Says he understands the ADA the way Bruer and Verveer understand liquor licenses. He knows staff and elected officials from other cities, and advocates throughout the region. Discussion of Metro budget isn't a simple topic, and not sexy. Says the council barely touched on the intricacies of paratransit. She's worried he also loses seat on other committees. Talks about contracted services oversight committee, says he was instrumental in getting that group started in working with partners and other regional partners. Carl is an excellent translator for everyone. She says at this moment in history when systems in a fragile state, fed and state funding changes (mentions risk of losing $2M although we may have patched together a solution) this is when we need Carl because this is what he is good at. Talks about the RTA, but we already have a semi-regional system, he is one that understands and helps us all understand, he can translate it with all the complexities with the funding, contractors, bids, etc. He's critical to the functioning of the group. Don't always agree, but deep respect for knowledge and commitment. Applauds the recommended person, but there are other ways to do get involved and build the expertise. Knows mayor has responsibly to make recommendations. Advise and consent is duty of the council. She says turnover is necessary and good, but this isn't the moment. Not when we are looking at threats to the funding in which he is an expert. Not good for partners or city of Madison.
DISCUSSION
Rummel - Says Bergamini did better than she could. At the last meeting she asked to have it referred even tho that is what would happen she wanted to raise the issues, met with Mayor and Skidmore, didn't expect anything to change [and it didn't]. Says Bergamini summed it up well. Understands that mayor has the discretion, appreciates that he gets to decide. However, DuRocher is progressive and experienced. Says she understands that council's role is advise and consent. She says she wants to remind you that not the same thing as Obama and Supreme Court. Those are lifetime appointments. And the Senate rejected - like senate who rejected Robert Bork - She says the council's role is to give appointment recommendations, but that she would appreciate it if the Mayor responded to her inquiries about appointments before she reads the results on the agenda. She can agree to disagree, but feels there is more ability for the council to get involved. She suggests that if Carl was here, she would ask for his phone number, because the TPC is going to need his advice.
Skidmore - Says it is not about DuRocher or Tolmie, who would be a great member of the Transit and Parking Commission, but more about the ability of mayor to make appointments. Says its his prerogative, respects his ability to do that. Says he had an interesting conversation with former Mayor Paul Soglin and that he agreed with Skidmore and Mayor Dave that there is not entitlement or right to be a member for a lifetime. He says it is the right and obligation of being the mayor. He says he lobbied to get some others to be kept on committees (Ped Bike and Public Safety Review Board). He thinks DuRocher is a great member, but many people are qualified to serve and they benefit by having turnover. Suggests DuRocher runs for alder, suggesting that of Dave Tomey as well.
The Mayor reminds Skidmore that DuRocher ran and was "crushed by Alder Rummel"
QUESTIONS OF STAFF
Clear asks what it means to serve at pleasure of the Mayor. Asks how people can be removed from committees? May says mayor appoints, council confirms. General rule is that all authorities that appoint have to be involved in removal, so it would take the Council and the Mayor to remove someone. Clear asks if the Mayor could appoint someone if their term is not over. May says no.
Pham-Remmele - Was going to ask for this item to be excluded, but Rummel did. Question for City Attorney, she says "I don't want to bother you, but I'm learning". She says that the City used to encourage citizens to step up to the plate and serve on commissions, do we sincerely do that? She thought it was a courtesy to approve the Mayor's appointments and never questioned it. [Can you say rubber stamp?] She saks what does serving the pleasure of the Mayor mean, are people expected to do that or serve in the best interest of the Madison resident? She says again that she tought it was a courtesy to approve the Mayor's appointments, and just say "aye".
May re-explains. The Council has no ability to tell the mayor who he has to appoint. You can say no to his appointments and then you have political fight if he comes back with the same person. He says that person serves their term unless they are removed or resign.
Pham-Remmele asks if they say "no" does that mean they don't respect the Mayor?
May says Council can say yes or no, but he can't tell you if it is about respect.
Pham-Remmele pressesfurther, she says if they don't rubberstamp the decision and say no, the person will still get appointed. May says the Mayor will have to continue to propose a person for that position.
BACK TO DISCUSSION
Skidmore talks about the "unfortunate headline" that DuRocher was "dumped". Reiterates it is the Mayor's prerogative. Says DuRocher was not removed, just not reappointed.
Solomon says he wasn't going to speak. Thanks DuRocher for his service. Can't begin to say how much he learned from him. No reason to doubt, that if Tolmie brings half as much as Carl brought, we'll be a fortunate city.
Kerr didn't want DuRocher's great service to get lost in the mechanical process. She talked about the fare increase hearings, and TPC meetings on bus service and DuRocher's remarkably knowledgeable service and we were fortunate to have him. She says she's sure Alder Skidmore's constituent will do well as well.
Mayor Dave speaks. Thanks DuRocher for his service. He wants to address arguments on his behalf. He says if he appointed only on experience, they would all have lifetime appointments. Expertise does and should reside in staff, needs to reside in staff, can't count on volunteers to have that expertise. Thinks turnover is a good thing. Tolmie is a good man, very bright, and while won't start with basis of knowledge that DuRocher had, he can acquire it over time.
Compton recommends that people who have served many years have to be acknowledged, need to have the Mayor's office say thank you to people leaving committees. Need some acknowledgment. She says that not all of them are her constituents, so the Mayor's office is probably the best one to do it.
The motion is to approve all the appointments except Tolmie. Voice vote, Pham-Remmele votes no.
Roll Call on the appointment of Tolmie (not DuRocher) passes 15 - 4:
AYE: Bidar-Sielaff, Bruer, Clausius, Clear, Cnare, Compton, Eagon, Kerr, King, Maniaci, Palm, Schmidt, Schumacher, Skidmore, Solomon
NO: Verveer, Pham-Remmele, Rhodes-Conway, Rummel
ABSENT: Sanborn
#75 - Creating Section 8.32 of the Madison General Ordinances to create policies and procedures for removal of personal property from public lands.
Motion is to place on file.
QUESTIONS OF STAFF
Rummel's light is working! Rummel says she had conversations with Clingan and May, and has questions. She says state law has something to say about what happens and she had heard Mayor may be helping to resolve this. She says to May that it looks like we are not following the law. May says he can't speak to that, doesn't know what our practices are. [Well, isn't that convenient.] He explains that there are two different laws, one you hold the property for 30 days, one for 90 days. The distinction is about if the property is lost or abandoned. There are also distinctions based on the value of the property. He says he's not exactly sure what the practices are at this point in time. He says that the Mayor's office asked for legal background and he is working on it. Rummel asks again, May says he doesn't know the details. He says this ordinance is dealing with specific type [of the homeless] of property and if it is that type of property. Says they should have a more global procedure. Mayor suggests Plant is working on it.
Plant says he convened staff - fire, police, public works, city attorney [they conveniently did not invite me to the meetings, even tho I was the sponsor] They talked about how they handled property. Says police has a robust system [if so, that robust "system" was not used when they threw away the property of the people staying at the Brittingham Park shelter! or they system is simply not as "robust" as claimed]. He says the others had other policies. He says if there is a shredded piece of clothing or broken lawnchair left on a soccer field, it gets tossed. He says otherwise they hold them for a specified period of time if it is items like keys or a wallet. He says he asked for an opinion from city attorney on how to handle it in a city wide level. Not just homeless but all found property. He says there is a memo and cover letter recommending a charter ordinance. [Someone should have asked where the hell that memo and cover letter was!] He says state laws are old and confusing and not clear which applies, thinks a charter ordinance would set policy for all agencies. A uniform procedure for all agencies would have a distinction for $25 property, 30 day retention with procedures on how to turn property back to owner. They need to discuss what proof is required to retrieve property and he talked about posting requirements (in city hall) and on city webpages, and that the property would likely be stored at the police department.
Rummel asks about timeline. He says he doesn't have one. [i.e. he wasn't planning on working on it.] Says he can put it on the top of the list. Charter ordinance won't be available until 60 days after it is pissed. Rummel asks to work on it with them.
Palm asks why charter ordinance. And what harm by passing this? May says charter ordinance because there are 2 procedures that can apply and he thinks they are old, based on rules set up long ago and inconsistent. His opinion is that a charter ordinance says they can get out from under provisions in state law. Otherwise they would be stuck with those two inconsistent provisions. He says this is a state law not of statewide concern [seriously, what kind of a whack opinion is that? and why is he so bold here but not for other issues?] He says the authority has not been withdrawn by state legislature. [Again, they passed a law . . . how is it that they haven't legislated in this area? Seriously? I can't believe he is being so bold and aggressive about not following state law in this case.] He says the only reason it is on the agenda is because there is no sponsor, if someone sponsors it then it will go back to committee. Just wants to make sure it is consistent with what you might pass as a charter ordinance.
Palm asks why go back to committees? He points out this was introduced in Oct 2008, recommendations have been made by committees. If someone sponsored, why go back to committees? May looks confused [cuz he was wrong, there was no requirement for it to go back to committee], but then someone points out that PSRB has not made a recommendation and they are the lead committee.
Schmidt has a question for May - He asks why the provisions in this ordinance that were covered by state law why are we first discovering this in May 2009 when we knew there were laws in Oct 2008? Why can't we pass this if it doesn't conflict with state law? Why didn't we find out earlier that state law addressed this in conflict with our process? May repeats that he's not certain our practice violates state law. [Wow. This dude is losing all credibility at this point. The departments didn't like the ordinance because they were concerned they don't have storage for these items. His claims are making him look ridiculous.] He says that in terms of this ordinance, it imposes above and beyond state law, which city has authority to do. They have advised departments with what state law is, but didn't know that departments are always aware of the state laws. [Now that inspires confidence, doesn't it?]
Kerr is called on, asks the Mayor why he looks pained, he says she is not showing up on the board. Kerr asks Plant about posting in the Parks in English and Spanish, is that also under contemplation by the staff working on this? She says if she lost her keys or homeless, park shelter is likely where might go first. Plant says that the posting requirements as drafted are one of the reasons that city department heads had concerns about the language and its possible fiscal impact. Kerr clarifies that she wants postings in park, not just city hall and website. A generic notice, in English, Spanish and Hmong.
Bidar-Sielaff asks if someone sponsors it, could this serve as the base for the charter ordinance. May says that the issues in this ordinance are not the sort that require a charter ordinance. Normally don't use charter ordinance unless have to, might be a companion ordinance. He says the two would not be incompatible.
AND WE HAVE A SPONSOR, OR TWO! AND A MOTION!
Rummel says she wants to be added as a sponsor and refer to PSRB and CDBG with CDBG as the lead.
Bidar-Sielaff asks to co-sponsor.
Schumacher, asks for it to go back to Parks as well.
Passes on a voice vote, with some no votes but I wasn't sure who.
LOW INCOME PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION
76 - Foley & Lardner, LLP attorney for Greentree Glen, LLC, c/o Midwest Affordable Housing Corp., 1560 East Blackthorne Pl., Whitefish Bay, WI - unlawful taxation - $71,922.54 plus interest.
Motion is to place on file.
PUBLIC TESTIMONY
Tim Radelet, neither support or opposition. Says they haven't quite decided what to do, file lawsuit or what for 2008 taxes. But, Joint Finance has added language that will, in large part, exempt low income housing and it is moving forward. There are some categories of housing that will be taxed, which is unfortunate. Thank you, Mayor Dave, Mario, and city attorney Mike May, Assessor, Bill and his staff, housing committee, prop tax subcommittee, former alder Brenda Konkel and to the Common Council, Julia and Michael, for advocacy both in meetings and outside of meetings. Knows that Mayor Dave and staff and certain alders spent time talking to governor and legislators, not just thanks from him, but his clients and all members of third sector. Thank you.
No questions.
DISCUSSION
Kerr - Says its a record for her speaking this many times in a meeting. Second what was said, thanks Tim Radelet, says he's deeply knowledgeable, she says working on this issue and this issue has befuddled everyone for 5 years. Acknowledge alders and Mayor for pushing this on the agenda and acknowledging how important it was to the City of Madison.
Mayor - special thanks to Mario, working on this for 5 years, says they were close a couple times, attended so many committee meetings in which he took many pointed questions on my behalf.
Passes on voice vote. [I think it was unanimous, but I didn't have any notes here.]
PRES HOUSE TAX EXEMPTION
77 - Whyte Hirschboeck Dudek S.C. for Presbyterian Student Center Foundation, 439 East Campus Mall, Madison - unlawful taxation - $238,565 plus interest.
Motion is to place on file.
PUBLIC TESTIMONY
Alice Honeywell - Presbyterian Center - Says she was taken by surprise when city attorney let the 90 days lapse. She was here to tell the Council about the Pres House [I took a break . . .] Says City of Madison won't go out of business if Pres House is not taxed, we Pres House might go out of business if City of Madison taxes them. She also says that the UW wants to buy their property, and if they do, the UW will be tax exempt. She says to please help us with the legislation that would include Pres House.
Rev Mark Elsdon - Disagrees with city's decision that they are taxable. Asks for help with legislation that does not provide provision for Pres House. Says Alice started to tell you why - religious, benevolent nonprofit for 100 years, mission is consistent, always have been exempt, truly unique, financed by WHEDA bonds, 20% low income, but benevolence isn't just low income, but activities and services.
QUESTIONS OF STAFF
Mayor asks City Attorney to explain, May says he thinks they will be exempt. [Wow! I know the Mayor's office and Mario don't understand the legislation they are so proud of, but I thought the City Attorney knew better. They clearly have no clue about affordable housing, how it is financed and the intricasies of the legislation that was passed. I can't believe May is shooting from the hip like that, he really is losing credibility tonight.]
QUESTIONS OF REGISTRANT
Eagon asks the Pres House folks why they think they are not exempt and what the discrepencies are between what the City Attorney is saying and their understanding of the law. Rev Elsdon comes back up and says that is great if the city attorney thinks they are exempt. But he explains that WHEDA description is specific, they don't have a first lien, they have a LURA (Land Use Restriction Agreement). So, if we were to find some other wording about a contractual agreement, then they might be in.
QUESTIONS OF STAFF AGAIN
Eagon asks assessor for comment. Assessor says he can look at it. If they don't have a first lien through WHEDA, that could be problematic. They might have to look at it.
QUESTIONS OF THE PUBLIC AGAIN
Rev Elsdon intercedes and says that Rep Spencer Black has language that would help Pres House. He says they tried and it hasn't happened thus far. City support would be helpful. Understands city needs money, would talk further about that if necessary.
Verveer, clarifies - will the building be tax exempt or just the apartments? Rev Elsdon saays yes, the Church has always been tax exempt, and will be exempt. The new building is not exempt. Apartment has been open for 2 years in July. They have been contesting the taxation from the begining.
QUESTIONS OF STAFF
Schumacher asks why this didn't come back with the others and how the 90 days lapsed without the council having a chance to act on it? May says this was an oversight in his office [Wow, another impressive moment for the city attorney's office tonight], not clear what happened. He says he gave strong instructions that is not to happen again and put a process in place in the clerk's office. He says there were meetings set up and didn't come to the council. Schumacher asks if the law allows for any compensation for these types of mistakes. May says 90 days is absolute.
Compton says she does not like to do committee work on the floor. Asks if not place on file, what happens? What happens in next assessment? May says, yes, the items before us are for 2008, legislation only impacts 2009. Compton asks again, if we do not place on file, what happens? He says, the law says it has been denied so council can't deny or approve. Court will decide. As mentioned in his memo, if legislature changes the law, then city should take that into consideration in resolving the court case.
Schmidt - Asks assessor, what part of the property is being taxed in this case? Assessor says its just the apartments, not the church. Asks May, if on file without prejudice, can we take an action later. May says not for 2008, but yes for 2009.
Bidar-Sielaff - Asks Mendoza to talk about compromise. Asks about Black language, any discussion on that? Mendoza says there are many proposals that have been contemplated, but not great likelihood of significant change, he says it was hard fought to get her, not everyone is happy. Clear indication not a big willingness to change the language to any significance.
Eagon - would it be possible to place on file but treat the same to work on their behalf? Lobbyist will pursue exemption for this property, by supporting Black amendment. Would like to place on file with understanding that city would pursue language to exempt Pres House. No objection by city attorney or mayor so Bruer says it is friendly. [Hmmm, I'm surprised by that public acknowledgement of whom Bruer is taking his cues from.]
BACK TO DISCUSSION, INCLUDING MAYOR DIRECTLY ENGAGING IN CONVERSATIONS WITH ALDER ON THE FLOOR.
Cnare - says ok with friendly amendment, but wants to pursue it on behalf of similarly situated organizations, Mayor says yes, as sense of council, and intent of council to exempt organizations similar to Pres House. Cnare says fine. Just doesn't want us to be pursuing something for one agency.
Bidar-Sielaff - all agreed legislation isn't perfect, and that we will continue to pursue perfect legislation. Mario will still be shooting for the sky, knowing that we have this. Wants to better understand where we are going, but we should say we are glad we got this far. Would like to continue pursuing language to cover all the entities that are proving housing and the like. We still want the perfect outcome
[I missed some discussion here.]
MOTION CONFUSION
Eagon withdraws his motion and says he would like to reintroduce as its own item at the end of the meeting, by title only. Then he says nevermind, keep it the way it is, since it won't be easier to introduced at the end of the meeting.
Mayor says the motion is to place on file, with understanding that city will pursue language in state legislation to exempt Pres House and similarly situated organizitions.
Cnare, is concerned that she thinks the Turners are going to say they are similarly situation, and doesn't think alders will agree on what "similarly situated" might mean. Cnare says that she'd like a separation on exemption for Pres House. Eagon clarifies what the amendment is, it passes on a voice vote.
Now thw motion is to place on file with City pursuing legislative fix for Pres House and similarly situated groups. There's a voice vote, it seems close. Roll call is called. [I have to laugh, people hated it when I did it, but it seems the call for roll call is alive and well without me there. I wonder who they will blame now?]
ROLL CALL
AYE: Bidar-Sielaff, Bruer, Clausius, Clear, Compton, Kerr, King, Maniaci, Palm, Pham-Remmele, Schmidt, Schumacher
NO: Verveer, Cnare, Eagon, Rhodes-Conway, Rummel, Skidmore, Solomon
ABSENT: Sanborn
Passes 12 to 7
TURNERS TAX EXEMPTION
78 - Reinhart, Boerner, Van Deuren, S.C., for Madison Turners, Inc., 3001 S. Stoughton Rd., Madison - unlawful taxation - $24,686.50 plus interest.
Motion to place on file
PUBLIC TESTIMONY (9:40)
[I apologize, I missed this man't name, Morris?] Said he doesn't want to postpone momentum in the discussion. He asks people to reflect on comments from Brianna and her mother, says it has been a school for 150 years with no change in operation, staffing, ownership or procedures of the school. Looking forward to listenitng to spirited discussion.
Paul Wirch - President of Madison Turners, talks about turners and history, said they were in dire financial straights 5 years ago, hired new management, got donations, turned things around,. Lost money last year with the economy, but the taxes will have dire consequences and put them out of business. Talks some more about the history, says nothing has changed. He says he is also a doctor, concerned about children's health and epidemic of obesity. Massive obesity is up due to diet, exercise (physical activity) and behavior issues. Says less physical activity at school and less safe getting outside. He says chronic illnesses, bullying, self esteem and diabetes and joint issues are issues that will occur due to high obesity rates. Says health care system reform is needed and knows that needs to increase access to health care and need to reduce costs. Says kids are getting adult onset diabetes and seeing heart attacks in kids. Turners is trying to do something about these issues. Says he was here last time when council extended, now 90 days expired, would like to make his case.
Gibson - Director at Turners, 14 years in field. Works in schools, but also at Turners and they work with cheerleaders and kids with special needs. He outlines what their differences are from a gymnastics club. Says they are non-profit and there for the kids . . . talks about differences . . . got distracted . . . . [Buzzer goes off again, its being totally ignored this evening, the Mayor just lets them talk without asking for an extension from the council. Very, very, interesting - I wonder if the Mayor will be as generous next time an issue is before them when the speakers are saying something he doesn't want to hear.]
A person named David is called on and he passes.
Kristina Summers - Attorney for Turners, summarizes history, explains that they are proceding under different exemption than the previous cases - educational vs benevolent. Says the statute had to be changed, different here. Nothing needs to be changed, no legislative fix. The test is if they are education and have a systematic instruction, formal or informal. She talks about the class structure, that they follow school semesters, formed as a school, treat themselves as a school. Observe school holidays. Instructors have lesson plans, long term goals as well as step by step goals. City has not challenged that first point. Second requirement in the law is that education available to the general public. That has been challenged by the city. The city says only those involved in gymnastics participate but she gives the example of a daycare that qualified under this criteria. Last requirement is that these are services that should be provided by government or lessen the burden of government. She talks about the schools and concern about instruction and equipment that is available there and says it is a service ordinarily provided by government and that they lessen the burden of government by providing these services. She reminds people of Brianna and how physical fitness helps her. Happy to answer questions.
8 registrants in support, not wishing to speak.
QUESTIONS OF REGISTRANTS
Cnare - Asks about the ability to have birthday party there? Summers says that historically Turner's has had a banquet hall for funding to support other services. Have been working with city on this. Addressed the issue with the city. Says the entire building is 14,000 sqare feet, banquet hall is 4,680 sq ft. Says they also have volleyball leagues and space. Says that issue is more on the edge, but they tried to be reasonable. They said they agree the city can tax the banquet hall and volleyball and they are asking the city to provide a refund for 54% of improvements (not the banquet hall and volleyball) and the land.
Maniaci - Asks a question about the statute. She doesn't like it that only hockey is exempted in the ordiance. Wants all sports groups exempt. Asks about if it is a common practice to divide taxable and non-taxable parts of the property. [Ok, I was talking to someone, debating staying or cutting out and going to get a beer . . . ] Summers is explaining that it is a common practice to not have an all or nothing determination, law and supreme court case allows for partial determination.
Schmidt - asks if the IRS sees the Turners as fully non-profit. Summers says IRS says exempt for income tax purpose. So, says he's confused. He says assessors manual says may be assessed when partially taxable by IRS. She explains, if property has taxed income, that will correlate to taxation in WI, but not the only way that fed and state differ. Hospitals are exempt, but exclusion for commercial (fitness center, doctors office) not exempt. Use doesn't fit in state exemption.
QUESTIONS FOR STAFF
Kerr - question for Assessor or City Attorney - She says city attorney O'Brien told the council a few weeks ago that he evaluates these cases on a case by case basis. The answer is yes. She asks if there are no guidelines or policies for groups to look at to determine if they are exempt. They says they look at statutes and case law. No written policy on website or in assessors office? He says that they ask for information, and organizations provide the info they need based on what is listed on the form. She tries to ask again, uses example to help determine if they would be tax exempt - he says they just direct them to the statutes and require them to cite the statute that they qualify under. She asks if this can be simplified? He says its case by case. So, how do people have expectations? She says it sounds arbitrary, not that you are being arbitrary, but could be viewed that way. May interjects so the Assessor doesn't have to answers. He says the property assessment manual has factors they should look at. That might be the type of summary people might look for. Kerr asks if possible to post that? May says we could link to it. She says she is asking because she was struck by O'brien's testimony and says they were taken by surprise and wants to communicate more clearly? Assessor says can direct them to the manual, but difficult to put out information that would be clear to everyone who is seeking a exemption. [Yeah, he clearly doesn't want to do any more work. He basically was refusing to even try.]
Compton - asks if go to court, can they revert this back to 54% offered by the Turners? May says if court says they are educational they likely will. Says it is up to the court to decide, bottom line. Says if its a school, they'll get back their money, or at least up to 54% if that is what the court decides.
Cnare - Wants to know if we go to court will that be it, or will they be back again on another issue the next year or do they live by the court decision forever? May says yes. [Sounds a little crazy to me, since the city has been so aggressive with these cases, I don't believe it.] Cnare wants to clarify, he says yes [but starts backtracking and says . . . . ] unless there is a change in the operations. She asks if the assessor is bound as well? And will they look at everyone, every year? Yes, every other year the filings are required.
Maniaci - asks if there is anything in state statues that can be fixed, by changing youth hockey to youth sports, if state took out hockey language and then it might cover Turners? May says that could be done.
Solomon - asks May about a case he gave the council and how he decided Turners was more like Kicker's and explains the case was about if the group was more about recreation than education. Says he heard evidence tonight that sounds like Turners were different and wondering how that jives with the review your office did that seems inconsistent with what we heard. May says its not inconsistent. [Everyone is getting more an more skeptical, and May losing more credibility] May says it no about calling yourself educational and classes, he rattles off similarities in the cases such as physical education of students, health, organized sports, team work etc, almost exactly same arguments, that is the city attorney's bottom line.
Solomon -asks attorney for Turners- May interjects and says "I bet she'll disagree with me". He asks how they are different. She says that they have systematic instruction, formal or informal, available to general public, and they have services ordinarily provided by government. Basically they meet the criteria in state law. They are a school of gymnastics, they have not changed terminology or tried to cloak themselves in legal language. Solomon reads off goals in the case and says he doesn't see the goals of the Turner's being the same.
Solomon asks May - didn't see that Kickers case talk about distinction between educational institution vs recreation. May chastizes Solomon and tells him to "remember where we are", we have gone past 90 days, we can talk about substantive issues, but not in position to make those comparison tonght. [i.e. he avoids answering the question and falls back to the ruling he made that they can't talk about the issues.] He says of course there will be differences in the cases, court said that they are wonderful org and some educational value, but not the tax exempt question. Substantially and primarily devoted to educational is the test. He says physical education wouldn't be educational without rest of the school. [I missed a bit of what he said] May says you have no authority, next step is court. If come back next year you can take a look at it again.
Solomon says that doesn't leave him with a great deal of satisfaction.
MOTION
Manicaci - wants to add language to work on resolution in statute to have all sports exempt, not friendly. She makes a motion, no one seconds it. Cnare finally does [good alder buddy!!! New alders are assigned experienced alder buddies, Cnare is Maniaci's alder buddy].
DISCUSSION
Schumacher, says he understands that these decisions are not easy, these are great organizations doing great work. Also have property tax payers and if pursue policies to be agents of every org that seeks tax exemption, that means we are imposing more and more on property taxes on the fewer people who are paying them. Not about these establishments before us, somebody has to pay. Doesn't support exemption.
BACK TO QUESTIONS OF REGISTRANTS
Skidmore - apologizes, asks Summers about the amendment. She says she doesn't agree that this matter is out of the hands of the common council, the statute says that they governing body has to allow or deny, that didn't happen, that might limit what city can do. If a determination is made, says Council has the authority to make the claim. She says that in Milwaukee circuit court [I think she acknowledges that this isn't a binding case, but it is an example of a judge finding differently than May suggests] said that if not denied in 90 days, if doesn't follow law to letter, taxpayer rights are expanded. She talked about filing in court and if the city does settle she will be asking the vote to settle that action at 54%. Says amending the statute, that might be an option, but it might also not work out. Hate to leave it to potential legislative amendment. More direct for council to deny or vote to settle.
MOTIONS
Mayor explains the amendment is on the legislation.
Kerr, moves separation, but it is already separated, she explains she pushed her button a long time ago, button not working.
BACK TO DISCUSSION
Skidmore - passes.
Maniaci - passes.
Cnare - says she seconded but won't support it. Thinks Turner's has a good case. Clear definition, good works don't matter, but compelling information that indicates, despite kickers, if they go to court she thinks they will win and they City will learn a lesson.
Solomon - prefer we should give them their refund, same reasons as Cnare, understand where Maniaci is coming from, but agrees with Schumacher, we don't want to do that. Low income housing providers was an important place for us, but not athletic orgs.
Voice vote on the amendment - not a single vote in favor.
Back to the original motion.
MORE DISCUSSION/MOTIONS
Schmidt - could pontificate or substitute to grant the claim. Conflicting case law from two lawyers. Mayor says motion to grant the claim is not in order. [He and the city attorney are sticking to their overruling the Council] May says can't take a position unless he reads the case [I'm beginning what this guy gets paid for?]. May says he is concerned that this is before the council and doesn't tend to litigate before the council. All these are legal arguments that go to court, and then tells them again that they can't vote on to grant tonight.
Schmidt says right up against the deadline, and they found out about afterwards that they were out of order, its a mess and and he's "frustrated as hell". [It has been clear throughout the night, on multiple issues that the frustration of the continued staff blocks of actions they want to take is taking its toll on council members at a whole new level.] He brings back up the issue on the homeless property and asked why not take into account statute when presented back in October, says this is the same thing. He says he's been reading Kickers for two hours, said they were recreational, not in this case. Spent two or three pages talking about this. Wants to make his motion. Kerr seconds.
Kerr clarifies its a substitute.
Compton - clarify - going into last meeting, said they didn't know. Supported referral, because we didn't have the info they ahve now. Attonrey May said that if they did that, he warned us, Turners would have failed that night. THis window of time to prove they are a school, can we act on it, or should it go to court, vote to place on file so there is an official decision. Need sto be more solid for them, so not voting for the motion, but tends to agree to it. He told us three times during that meeting - it was tense, it was the only option Turners have.
Solomon clarifies if dollar amount is 54% in the motion. Palm groans, not sure what it was about but it distracts. Solomon asks if 54% is ok, Schmidt says people pressing to say yes, but he menat for it to be 100%. He comments that they are on shaky legal grounds, so why not. Statute is crazy, so sure, 54%, but his intent was otherwise. Objection to making it friendly. Amendment is to make it 54%. Solomon is called on to speak, but says he needs a minute.
Schumacher says we are debating things in state statute, May advised us last time that we are out of bounds, take it to court, organization has legal representation, [I'm sure that isn't cheap! Does he think all the non-profits can pay for that. If so, where does he think that money comes from?] He says that if you think this is hard, come to ALRC, constantly hitting our heads against the wall over state statute. Says they should take it to court. Says council should look to city attorney, not outside lawyers. [Maybe they would if he was credible, but he just keeps losing credibility.]
Mayor thanks Schumacher.
Rummel why Turners and not housing providers? May vote no on principle, but says I'm hungry, lets hurry up.
Mayor thanks Rummel as well. [He must be hungry too?]
Compton clarifies - Solomon amend to 54% and that they can't make another amendment.
Kerr won't vote in favor, worked hard on low-income housing. Legislative fix. Needed to take the strong stand to move the ball. Don't see that here. Respect Schmidt's assessment and the Turner's attorney, should place on file and she see's Schumacher's slippery slope. Can't support this. She differentiates this from the legislative fix.
BACK TO QUESTIONS OF STAFF
Solomon - two questions. If grant refund, what would it mean. You say we don't have the authority. May says he doesn't know what it means. [I'm pretty certain it means May will find a way to overrule the council again.] Solomon asks how we would know. If city wanted to go ahead and pursue. May says you'd have to get outside council.. May says action doesn't mean anything. [I thought so, why'd he say he didn't know?] Solomon asks if it goes to court to defend this, what will it cost. May says staff time, Walgreens and other cases took tremendous amount of time, this one is straightforward. Solomon says it will likely cost $14 - 15,ooo if goes to court, probably more in staff time. Says there are many good reasons to not place on file.
Bidar-Sielaff - if goes to court, will the council decide if they settle or it is fought aggressively? May says that settlement offer is made, has to bring it back to client. [That would be new. They settle cases all the time and they NEVER consult with the council.] She says there is an overwhelming sense that they do deserve tax exemption on the council. She suggests to go to court, settlement discussion will come back. Understand the frustrations in not taking final action, keeps coming back, deserve tax exemption, thinks it will settle it once and for all.
BACK TO DISCUSSION/MOTIONS
Mayor reminds, 54% is question. Cnare, says accept own offer, its what they asked for, its fair, we can set our own precedent. Pay half the bill and go home tonight. May shakes head.
Schmidt speaks to urge council members to kill the amendment and then he'd move to refer his motion for more info.
Mayor says only Solomon can refer. Schmidt is trying to clarify if what he wants to do is doable.
Mayor says May will not be here at the next meeting, so they need a longer referral. On this matter the Mayor says he wants May here. [Ya think? Always good to have a lawyer that is paid to give you the opinion that you want.]
Solomon amendment - voice vote fails [?].
Schmidt moves to amend motion to be referred to whenever May is available. He wants to hear Mays opinion on the issue of the 90 days and the issue that Summers brought up with the Milwaukee case. Kerr seconds for purposes of discussion. Checking May's availablility. July 7th is next date he will be here.
Rummel asks about how this impacts the Turners. She wants information or is it just academic? May says there are no appellate cases on the issue, only Milwaukee circuit court, doens't think it will have impact on his analysis. [No shit, he's clearly dug his heels in. He's being very stubborn and not serving the council at all, seems to just serve the Mayor.]
Voice vote - no's have it.
Back on original to place on file.
Compton tries to make an amendment. People are clearly not happy that she is trying to make an amendment. They are interrupting her. She finally explains that her motion is that if the Turners file in court, the common council will strongly consider request of 54% to the Turners. Originally, was going to settle at 54%, but this is a comfort resolution.
Mayor steps down from the chair. Bruer in the chair.
Schumacher says the city buys high, sell low. We're making a deal already, going into a court case telling the city attorney what the outcome is. He says they are tying the hands of the City attorney upfront. [Yes, I think they are, I think they are sending a strong message that the Assessor and City Attorney should not have been trying to make policy by aggressively pursing these cases.]
Compton clarifies that this is an amendment, not a substititue.
Bruer calls on "smoking Joe Claussius" - Claussius reminds people they have had this discussion, Attorney May said that they were on thin ice. Not supporting it. Says should go to court.
AND THE TRUTH COMES OUT- MAYOR DAVE WANTS THE TAXES!!
Bruer says this is the moment people have been waiting for and calls on Mayor Dave. The Mayor remarks that he is not sure anyone waiting for this moment. Understands and is sympathetic. Says body doesn't have authority. Attorney and Assessor interpret state law, for the Council to say they are wrong is extraordinary. Says it is an extreme mistake. He explains that the presumption is that land it taxable, and its up to the non-profits to make the case that they are exempt. In a few months we are going to debate the budget, and you're not going to be happy you don't have the money from these taxes then. These people don't want to pay their fair share. Attorney and assessor should make it hard. Very dangerous road to go down, to legislate here. City Assessor and Attorney can interpret law. He says he doesn't even like hockey, legislature can make that decision.
Compton repeats motion - Compton says doesn't prevent placing it on file, but we want to strongly consider exemption of 54%, not deciding outcome. [Yikes, I agree with Compton here and what she is trying to do.]
QUESTIONS OF STAFF AGAIN
Cnare question - if goes to court, court could determine otherwise something different even if we offer 54%. May makes it appear that they will. [Ok, he's a shittier attorney than I thought, he should have explained that it would be rare for the court not to agree to a stipulated agreement between the parties. Damn, the council really can't rely on this guy to give them good advice.]
Pham-Remmele says she has been sitting here patiently, putting up with debate, people like to hear themself speak, asks why are we going against city attorney and assessor, we are not qualified to decide the %, wants original language. [Again, she seems to think council is wasting time by debating issues.]
Schmidt says he respects city attorney and assessor, just disagrees. Whatever we decide, up to the court, this is just a strong suggestion, no a commitment.
Compton amendment fails on a voice vote.
Back to motion to place on file. They have a voice vote, chair rules the aye's have it. Roll call is requested.
AYE: Verveer, Bidar-Sielaff, Bruer, Clear, Cnare, Compton, Eagon, Kerr, King, Maniaci, Palm, Pham-Remmele, Rhodes-Conway, Schumacher.
NO: Rummel, Schmidt (with annoyance), Skidmore and Solomon
ABSENT: Sanborn
Passes 15 - 4.
SHADY WOOD NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT PLAN
118 - Adopting Phase 1 of the Shady Wood Neighborhood Development Plan as a supplement to the City of Madison Comprehensive Plan, and authorizing the City’s application to amend the Central Urban Service Area to include the Phase 1 development staging area identified in the plan.
#118 - Clear defers to Rummel, Rummel moves adoption, someone seconds.
PUBLIC TESTIMONY
Trachtenberg says if the motion is to adopt and Rummel makes it, won't speak.
Satya asks for clarification. Is she moving recommendation of plan commission or whole plan. Rummel says plan commission recommendation to move it along.
Tractenberg now wants to speak - says all the landowners support it. Phase A, Phase B & C and ice age trail interests all agree with Plan Commission.
There are 4 others wishing to speak and 2 in support. They ask if anyone else wants to speak.
Gempler speaks, says it is unnerving to let Ron [Trachtenberg] talk for him. Says Ron is correct. Prepared to speak, but everyone agrees with Plan Commission.
No one asks any quetions, no one further speaks.
QUESTIONS OF STAFF
Rummel speaks, says she was struck by Cnare voting now and asks Wiedelich if they are doing something unprecedented. Wiedelich says it is unique, we don't do this in phases, discussed 3 hours at parks and plan and in the end best solution to timing issues. Staff can accept it. Explains that they will adopt non-controversial part and that, yes, the city does plan for property outside the city.
Rummel says it's a plan until someone does a project, not for 50 years. Open space is conceptual, exact boundaries will be negotiated and worked out with property owners. Asks if plan will impact value of property? Weidelich says that is up to Gempeler.
DISCUSSION
Rhodes-Conway. Dosn't think they should do this - precedent. Disappointed staff thinks this is ok.
Cnare, sole no vote at Plan - very, very slippery slope where we will approve neighborhood plans with only a house or two. She says the beauty and discomfort is that it is critical that there are reasons we plan the way we do. Would rather wait. The planning process isn't over, its not ready. We should wait until we have a whole plan. She likens it to Thanksgiving, she says they are getting the marshmellow and jello salad, no turkey.
There's
BOARD OF PUBLIC WORKS
#40 SHERMAN TERRACE WATER MAINS
Robert Schniker - support - passes on speaking
Richard Meyer - Sherman Terrace was built in 1947, told that water mains put in there had a 50 year life expectancy, last two years spent $60,000 to fix water mains, trying to figure out how to do it piece by piece and came up with proposal. [The real credit here goes to Larry Nelson who met with myself and Nathan Brelsford and Jerry Rowe and came up with a solution. Thanks Larry!] Meyer explains that the highest selling units there go for $120K, they're not real fancy, good affordable comfortable housing. Many are on a fixed income, opportunity for this is that association couldn't borrow the money and have no assets, its a darn good thing if it goes through.
John Marhoefer - support - oldest member of board, served there for 12 years, investor, owns 7 units, wants to assure council has a professional board of directors, spends money prudently, $60,000 that they spent repairing broken water mains could have been spent on preventative maintenance. Will cost him personally $25,000 but still supports the installation of the new main and urges support.
Barbara Mazzoni - support - Sherman Terrace Condo Association - Very old established neighborhood, low income area, where people can afford to buy a small place to start or end up. Concern is that by fixing the water mains one at a time, wasting the water and natural resources and it will benefit the whole city to have the mains replaced. Needs council's help.
5 registrants in support not wishing to speak.
Palm asks any board member - Since board of public works, questions raised about one of the larger assessments. Says he expects amount of project to go down based on the bidding. Asks if they understand that if one assessment goes down, others might go up. Mazzoni says she just became aware the issue this afternoon with the commercial property. Been meeting, invited all the members of the condo association, notices went up in all the buildings, city engineers came to the meeting, but this is new.
# 41 - Reiner Rd - no registrants
# 42 - Lawrence St. - no registrants
Motion by Maniaci, refer item 40 to June 16 meeting. Maniaci says that this came up suddenly with he commercial owner. Says her understanding is that it won't impact the timeline for the project. Staff says schedule to bid wouldn't happen til after the next meeting anyways. Wanted to get project done in 2009 construction season. Leaks occur in winter and want to get it done before then.
41 & 42, move adoption.
PLAN COMMISSION
#43. Sign issue on Millpond Rd. One registrant - available to answer questions, no questions
#44. 12 single family homes and 2 school lots. One registrant, person from Middleton Cross Plains School Dist, in support, available to answer questions, no questions
#45. Union South - Gary Brown - support, available to answer question, no questions.
Approval, no discussion.
8:30, end of public hearings, now back to the separated items . . .
SEPARATED ITEMS
CITIZEN APPOINTMENTS
46 - Report of the Mayor submitting citizen committee appointments (introduced
5-19-2009; action 6-2-2009).
Moved adoption. There are speakers.
PUBLIC COMMENT
Carl DuRocher - no longer here.
Margaret Bergamini- there to speak to Transit and Parking Commission appointments, recommend that it be referred back to mayor and appoint Carl DuRocher. Explains that Carl DuRocher uses paratransit and his ride was scheduled and he had to leave [No irony there, eh?]. She says she felt strongly enough to come and speak because she relies on Carl and his knowledge and the relationships that he has built. Doesn't come here cuz always agrees with Carl, fundamentally disagreed on the fair increases but she respects his knowledge. Says he understands the ADA the way Bruer and Verveer understand liquor licenses. He knows staff and elected officials from other cities, and advocates throughout the region. Discussion of Metro budget isn't a simple topic, and not sexy. Says the council barely touched on the intricacies of paratransit. She's worried he also loses seat on other committees. Talks about contracted services oversight committee, says he was instrumental in getting that group started in working with partners and other regional partners. Carl is an excellent translator for everyone. She says at this moment in history when systems in a fragile state, fed and state funding changes (mentions risk of losing $2M although we may have patched together a solution) this is when we need Carl because this is what he is good at. Talks about the RTA, but we already have a semi-regional system, he is one that understands and helps us all understand, he can translate it with all the complexities with the funding, contractors, bids, etc. He's critical to the functioning of the group. Don't always agree, but deep respect for knowledge and commitment. Applauds the recommended person, but there are other ways to do get involved and build the expertise. Knows mayor has responsibly to make recommendations. Advise and consent is duty of the council. She says turnover is necessary and good, but this isn't the moment. Not when we are looking at threats to the funding in which he is an expert. Not good for partners or city of Madison.
DISCUSSION
Rummel - Says Bergamini did better than she could. At the last meeting she asked to have it referred even tho that is what would happen she wanted to raise the issues, met with Mayor and Skidmore, didn't expect anything to change [and it didn't]. Says Bergamini summed it up well. Understands that mayor has the discretion, appreciates that he gets to decide. However, DuRocher is progressive and experienced. Says she understands that council's role is advise and consent. She says she wants to remind you that not the same thing as Obama and Supreme Court. Those are lifetime appointments. And the Senate rejected - like senate who rejected Robert Bork - She says the council's role is to give appointment recommendations, but that she would appreciate it if the Mayor responded to her inquiries about appointments before she reads the results on the agenda. She can agree to disagree, but feels there is more ability for the council to get involved. She suggests that if Carl was here, she would ask for his phone number, because the TPC is going to need his advice.
Skidmore - Says it is not about DuRocher or Tolmie, who would be a great member of the Transit and Parking Commission, but more about the ability of mayor to make appointments. Says its his prerogative, respects his ability to do that. Says he had an interesting conversation with former Mayor Paul Soglin and that he agreed with Skidmore and Mayor Dave that there is not entitlement or right to be a member for a lifetime. He says it is the right and obligation of being the mayor. He says he lobbied to get some others to be kept on committees (Ped Bike and Public Safety Review Board). He thinks DuRocher is a great member, but many people are qualified to serve and they benefit by having turnover. Suggests DuRocher runs for alder, suggesting that of Dave Tomey as well.
The Mayor reminds Skidmore that DuRocher ran and was "crushed by Alder Rummel"
QUESTIONS OF STAFF
Clear asks what it means to serve at pleasure of the Mayor. Asks how people can be removed from committees? May says mayor appoints, council confirms. General rule is that all authorities that appoint have to be involved in removal, so it would take the Council and the Mayor to remove someone. Clear asks if the Mayor could appoint someone if their term is not over. May says no.
Pham-Remmele - Was going to ask for this item to be excluded, but Rummel did. Question for City Attorney, she says "I don't want to bother you, but I'm learning". She says that the City used to encourage citizens to step up to the plate and serve on commissions, do we sincerely do that? She thought it was a courtesy to approve the Mayor's appointments and never questioned it. [Can you say rubber stamp?] She saks what does serving the pleasure of the Mayor mean, are people expected to do that or serve in the best interest of the Madison resident? She says again that she tought it was a courtesy to approve the Mayor's appointments, and just say "aye".
May re-explains. The Council has no ability to tell the mayor who he has to appoint. You can say no to his appointments and then you have political fight if he comes back with the same person. He says that person serves their term unless they are removed or resign.
Pham-Remmele asks if they say "no" does that mean they don't respect the Mayor?
May says Council can say yes or no, but he can't tell you if it is about respect.
Pham-Remmele pressesfurther, she says if they don't rubberstamp the decision and say no, the person will still get appointed. May says the Mayor will have to continue to propose a person for that position.
BACK TO DISCUSSION
Skidmore talks about the "unfortunate headline" that DuRocher was "dumped". Reiterates it is the Mayor's prerogative. Says DuRocher was not removed, just not reappointed.
Solomon says he wasn't going to speak. Thanks DuRocher for his service. Can't begin to say how much he learned from him. No reason to doubt, that if Tolmie brings half as much as Carl brought, we'll be a fortunate city.
Kerr didn't want DuRocher's great service to get lost in the mechanical process. She talked about the fare increase hearings, and TPC meetings on bus service and DuRocher's remarkably knowledgeable service and we were fortunate to have him. She says she's sure Alder Skidmore's constituent will do well as well.
Mayor Dave speaks. Thanks DuRocher for his service. He wants to address arguments on his behalf. He says if he appointed only on experience, they would all have lifetime appointments. Expertise does and should reside in staff, needs to reside in staff, can't count on volunteers to have that expertise. Thinks turnover is a good thing. Tolmie is a good man, very bright, and while won't start with basis of knowledge that DuRocher had, he can acquire it over time.
Compton recommends that people who have served many years have to be acknowledged, need to have the Mayor's office say thank you to people leaving committees. Need some acknowledgment. She says that not all of them are her constituents, so the Mayor's office is probably the best one to do it.
The motion is to approve all the appointments except Tolmie. Voice vote, Pham-Remmele votes no.
Roll Call on the appointment of Tolmie (not DuRocher) passes 15 - 4:
AYE: Bidar-Sielaff, Bruer, Clausius, Clear, Cnare, Compton, Eagon, Kerr, King, Maniaci, Palm, Schmidt, Schumacher, Skidmore, Solomon
NO: Verveer, Pham-Remmele, Rhodes-Conway, Rummel
ABSENT: Sanborn
#75 - Creating Section 8.32 of the Madison General Ordinances to create policies and procedures for removal of personal property from public lands.
Motion is to place on file.
QUESTIONS OF STAFF
Rummel's light is working! Rummel says she had conversations with Clingan and May, and has questions. She says state law has something to say about what happens and she had heard Mayor may be helping to resolve this. She says to May that it looks like we are not following the law. May says he can't speak to that, doesn't know what our practices are. [Well, isn't that convenient.] He explains that there are two different laws, one you hold the property for 30 days, one for 90 days. The distinction is about if the property is lost or abandoned. There are also distinctions based on the value of the property. He says he's not exactly sure what the practices are at this point in time. He says that the Mayor's office asked for legal background and he is working on it. Rummel asks again, May says he doesn't know the details. He says this ordinance is dealing with specific type [of the homeless] of property and if it is that type of property. Says they should have a more global procedure. Mayor suggests Plant is working on it.
Plant says he convened staff - fire, police, public works, city attorney [they conveniently did not invite me to the meetings, even tho I was the sponsor] They talked about how they handled property. Says police has a robust system [if so, that robust "system" was not used when they threw away the property of the people staying at the Brittingham Park shelter! or they system is simply not as "robust" as claimed]. He says the others had other policies. He says if there is a shredded piece of clothing or broken lawnchair left on a soccer field, it gets tossed. He says otherwise they hold them for a specified period of time if it is items like keys or a wallet. He says he asked for an opinion from city attorney on how to handle it in a city wide level. Not just homeless but all found property. He says there is a memo and cover letter recommending a charter ordinance. [Someone should have asked where the hell that memo and cover letter was!] He says state laws are old and confusing and not clear which applies, thinks a charter ordinance would set policy for all agencies. A uniform procedure for all agencies would have a distinction for $25 property, 30 day retention with procedures on how to turn property back to owner. They need to discuss what proof is required to retrieve property and he talked about posting requirements (in city hall) and on city webpages, and that the property would likely be stored at the police department.
Rummel asks about timeline. He says he doesn't have one. [i.e. he wasn't planning on working on it.] Says he can put it on the top of the list. Charter ordinance won't be available until 60 days after it is pissed. Rummel asks to work on it with them.
Palm asks why charter ordinance. And what harm by passing this? May says charter ordinance because there are 2 procedures that can apply and he thinks they are old, based on rules set up long ago and inconsistent. His opinion is that a charter ordinance says they can get out from under provisions in state law. Otherwise they would be stuck with those two inconsistent provisions. He says this is a state law not of statewide concern [seriously, what kind of a whack opinion is that? and why is he so bold here but not for other issues?] He says the authority has not been withdrawn by state legislature. [Again, they passed a law . . . how is it that they haven't legislated in this area? Seriously? I can't believe he is being so bold and aggressive about not following state law in this case.] He says the only reason it is on the agenda is because there is no sponsor, if someone sponsors it then it will go back to committee. Just wants to make sure it is consistent with what you might pass as a charter ordinance.
Palm asks why go back to committees? He points out this was introduced in Oct 2008, recommendations have been made by committees. If someone sponsored, why go back to committees? May looks confused [cuz he was wrong, there was no requirement for it to go back to committee], but then someone points out that PSRB has not made a recommendation and they are the lead committee.
Schmidt has a question for May - He asks why the provisions in this ordinance that were covered by state law why are we first discovering this in May 2009 when we knew there were laws in Oct 2008? Why can't we pass this if it doesn't conflict with state law? Why didn't we find out earlier that state law addressed this in conflict with our process? May repeats that he's not certain our practice violates state law. [Wow. This dude is losing all credibility at this point. The departments didn't like the ordinance because they were concerned they don't have storage for these items. His claims are making him look ridiculous.] He says that in terms of this ordinance, it imposes above and beyond state law, which city has authority to do. They have advised departments with what state law is, but didn't know that departments are always aware of the state laws. [Now that inspires confidence, doesn't it?]
Kerr is called on, asks the Mayor why he looks pained, he says she is not showing up on the board. Kerr asks Plant about posting in the Parks in English and Spanish, is that also under contemplation by the staff working on this? She says if she lost her keys or homeless, park shelter is likely where might go first. Plant says that the posting requirements as drafted are one of the reasons that city department heads had concerns about the language and its possible fiscal impact. Kerr clarifies that she wants postings in park, not just city hall and website. A generic notice, in English, Spanish and Hmong.
Bidar-Sielaff asks if someone sponsors it, could this serve as the base for the charter ordinance. May says that the issues in this ordinance are not the sort that require a charter ordinance. Normally don't use charter ordinance unless have to, might be a companion ordinance. He says the two would not be incompatible.
AND WE HAVE A SPONSOR, OR TWO! AND A MOTION!
Rummel says she wants to be added as a sponsor and refer to PSRB and CDBG with CDBG as the lead.
Bidar-Sielaff asks to co-sponsor.
Schumacher, asks for it to go back to Parks as well.
Passes on a voice vote, with some no votes but I wasn't sure who.
LOW INCOME PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION
76 - Foley & Lardner, LLP attorney for Greentree Glen, LLC, c/o Midwest Affordable Housing Corp., 1560 East Blackthorne Pl., Whitefish Bay, WI - unlawful taxation - $71,922.54 plus interest.
Motion is to place on file.
PUBLIC TESTIMONY
Tim Radelet, neither support or opposition. Says they haven't quite decided what to do, file lawsuit or what for 2008 taxes. But, Joint Finance has added language that will, in large part, exempt low income housing and it is moving forward. There are some categories of housing that will be taxed, which is unfortunate. Thank you, Mayor Dave, Mario, and city attorney Mike May, Assessor, Bill and his staff, housing committee, prop tax subcommittee, former alder Brenda Konkel and to the Common Council, Julia and Michael, for advocacy both in meetings and outside of meetings. Knows that Mayor Dave and staff and certain alders spent time talking to governor and legislators, not just thanks from him, but his clients and all members of third sector. Thank you.
No questions.
DISCUSSION
Kerr - Says its a record for her speaking this many times in a meeting. Second what was said, thanks Tim Radelet, says he's deeply knowledgeable, she says working on this issue and this issue has befuddled everyone for 5 years. Acknowledge alders and Mayor for pushing this on the agenda and acknowledging how important it was to the City of Madison.
Mayor - special thanks to Mario, working on this for 5 years, says they were close a couple times, attended so many committee meetings in which he took many pointed questions on my behalf.
Passes on voice vote. [I think it was unanimous, but I didn't have any notes here.]
PRES HOUSE TAX EXEMPTION
77 - Whyte Hirschboeck Dudek S.C. for Presbyterian Student Center Foundation, 439 East Campus Mall, Madison - unlawful taxation - $238,565 plus interest.
Motion is to place on file.
PUBLIC TESTIMONY
Alice Honeywell - Presbyterian Center - Says she was taken by surprise when city attorney let the 90 days lapse. She was here to tell the Council about the Pres House [I took a break . . .] Says City of Madison won't go out of business if Pres House is not taxed, we Pres House might go out of business if City of Madison taxes them. She also says that the UW wants to buy their property, and if they do, the UW will be tax exempt. She says to please help us with the legislation that would include Pres House.
Rev Mark Elsdon - Disagrees with city's decision that they are taxable. Asks for help with legislation that does not provide provision for Pres House. Says Alice started to tell you why - religious, benevolent nonprofit for 100 years, mission is consistent, always have been exempt, truly unique, financed by WHEDA bonds, 20% low income, but benevolence isn't just low income, but activities and services.
QUESTIONS OF STAFF
Mayor asks City Attorney to explain, May says he thinks they will be exempt. [Wow! I know the Mayor's office and Mario don't understand the legislation they are so proud of, but I thought the City Attorney knew better. They clearly have no clue about affordable housing, how it is financed and the intricasies of the legislation that was passed. I can't believe May is shooting from the hip like that, he really is losing credibility tonight.]
QUESTIONS OF REGISTRANT
Eagon asks the Pres House folks why they think they are not exempt and what the discrepencies are between what the City Attorney is saying and their understanding of the law. Rev Elsdon comes back up and says that is great if the city attorney thinks they are exempt. But he explains that WHEDA description is specific, they don't have a first lien, they have a LURA (Land Use Restriction Agreement). So, if we were to find some other wording about a contractual agreement, then they might be in.
QUESTIONS OF STAFF AGAIN
Eagon asks assessor for comment. Assessor says he can look at it. If they don't have a first lien through WHEDA, that could be problematic. They might have to look at it.
QUESTIONS OF THE PUBLIC AGAIN
Rev Elsdon intercedes and says that Rep Spencer Black has language that would help Pres House. He says they tried and it hasn't happened thus far. City support would be helpful. Understands city needs money, would talk further about that if necessary.
Verveer, clarifies - will the building be tax exempt or just the apartments? Rev Elsdon saays yes, the Church has always been tax exempt, and will be exempt. The new building is not exempt. Apartment has been open for 2 years in July. They have been contesting the taxation from the begining.
QUESTIONS OF STAFF
Schumacher asks why this didn't come back with the others and how the 90 days lapsed without the council having a chance to act on it? May says this was an oversight in his office [Wow, another impressive moment for the city attorney's office tonight], not clear what happened. He says he gave strong instructions that is not to happen again and put a process in place in the clerk's office. He says there were meetings set up and didn't come to the council. Schumacher asks if the law allows for any compensation for these types of mistakes. May says 90 days is absolute.
Compton says she does not like to do committee work on the floor. Asks if not place on file, what happens? What happens in next assessment? May says, yes, the items before us are for 2008, legislation only impacts 2009. Compton asks again, if we do not place on file, what happens? He says, the law says it has been denied so council can't deny or approve. Court will decide. As mentioned in his memo, if legislature changes the law, then city should take that into consideration in resolving the court case.
Schmidt - Asks assessor, what part of the property is being taxed in this case? Assessor says its just the apartments, not the church. Asks May, if on file without prejudice, can we take an action later. May says not for 2008, but yes for 2009.
Bidar-Sielaff - Asks Mendoza to talk about compromise. Asks about Black language, any discussion on that? Mendoza says there are many proposals that have been contemplated, but not great likelihood of significant change, he says it was hard fought to get her, not everyone is happy. Clear indication not a big willingness to change the language to any significance.
Eagon - would it be possible to place on file but treat the same to work on their behalf? Lobbyist will pursue exemption for this property, by supporting Black amendment. Would like to place on file with understanding that city would pursue language to exempt Pres House. No objection by city attorney or mayor so Bruer says it is friendly. [Hmmm, I'm surprised by that public acknowledgement of whom Bruer is taking his cues from.]
BACK TO DISCUSSION, INCLUDING MAYOR DIRECTLY ENGAGING IN CONVERSATIONS WITH ALDER ON THE FLOOR.
Cnare - says ok with friendly amendment, but wants to pursue it on behalf of similarly situated organizations, Mayor says yes, as sense of council, and intent of council to exempt organizations similar to Pres House. Cnare says fine. Just doesn't want us to be pursuing something for one agency.
Bidar-Sielaff - all agreed legislation isn't perfect, and that we will continue to pursue perfect legislation. Mario will still be shooting for the sky, knowing that we have this. Wants to better understand where we are going, but we should say we are glad we got this far. Would like to continue pursuing language to cover all the entities that are proving housing and the like. We still want the perfect outcome
[I missed some discussion here.]
MOTION CONFUSION
Eagon withdraws his motion and says he would like to reintroduce as its own item at the end of the meeting, by title only. Then he says nevermind, keep it the way it is, since it won't be easier to introduced at the end of the meeting.
Mayor says the motion is to place on file, with understanding that city will pursue language in state legislation to exempt Pres House and similarly situated organizitions.
Cnare, is concerned that she thinks the Turners are going to say they are similarly situation, and doesn't think alders will agree on what "similarly situated" might mean. Cnare says that she'd like a separation on exemption for Pres House. Eagon clarifies what the amendment is, it passes on a voice vote.
Now thw motion is to place on file with City pursuing legislative fix for Pres House and similarly situated groups. There's a voice vote, it seems close. Roll call is called. [I have to laugh, people hated it when I did it, but it seems the call for roll call is alive and well without me there. I wonder who they will blame now?]
ROLL CALL
AYE: Bidar-Sielaff, Bruer, Clausius, Clear, Compton, Kerr, King, Maniaci, Palm, Pham-Remmele, Schmidt, Schumacher
NO: Verveer, Cnare, Eagon, Rhodes-Conway, Rummel, Skidmore, Solomon
ABSENT: Sanborn
Passes 12 to 7
TURNERS TAX EXEMPTION
78 - Reinhart, Boerner, Van Deuren, S.C., for Madison Turners, Inc., 3001 S. Stoughton Rd., Madison - unlawful taxation - $24,686.50 plus interest.
Motion to place on file
PUBLIC TESTIMONY (9:40)
[I apologize, I missed this man't name, Morris?] Said he doesn't want to postpone momentum in the discussion. He asks people to reflect on comments from Brianna and her mother, says it has been a school for 150 years with no change in operation, staffing, ownership or procedures of the school. Looking forward to listenitng to spirited discussion.
Paul Wirch - President of Madison Turners, talks about turners and history, said they were in dire financial straights 5 years ago, hired new management, got donations, turned things around,. Lost money last year with the economy, but the taxes will have dire consequences and put them out of business. Talks some more about the history, says nothing has changed. He says he is also a doctor, concerned about children's health and epidemic of obesity. Massive obesity is up due to diet, exercise (physical activity) and behavior issues. Says less physical activity at school and less safe getting outside. He says chronic illnesses, bullying, self esteem and diabetes and joint issues are issues that will occur due to high obesity rates. Says health care system reform is needed and knows that needs to increase access to health care and need to reduce costs. Says kids are getting adult onset diabetes and seeing heart attacks in kids. Turners is trying to do something about these issues. Says he was here last time when council extended, now 90 days expired, would like to make his case.
Gibson - Director at Turners, 14 years in field. Works in schools, but also at Turners and they work with cheerleaders and kids with special needs. He outlines what their differences are from a gymnastics club. Says they are non-profit and there for the kids . . . talks about differences . . . got distracted . . . . [Buzzer goes off again, its being totally ignored this evening, the Mayor just lets them talk without asking for an extension from the council. Very, very, interesting - I wonder if the Mayor will be as generous next time an issue is before them when the speakers are saying something he doesn't want to hear.]
A person named David is called on and he passes.
Kristina Summers - Attorney for Turners, summarizes history, explains that they are proceding under different exemption than the previous cases - educational vs benevolent. Says the statute had to be changed, different here. Nothing needs to be changed, no legislative fix. The test is if they are education and have a systematic instruction, formal or informal. She talks about the class structure, that they follow school semesters, formed as a school, treat themselves as a school. Observe school holidays. Instructors have lesson plans, long term goals as well as step by step goals. City has not challenged that first point. Second requirement in the law is that education available to the general public. That has been challenged by the city. The city says only those involved in gymnastics participate but she gives the example of a daycare that qualified under this criteria. Last requirement is that these are services that should be provided by government or lessen the burden of government. She talks about the schools and concern about instruction and equipment that is available there and says it is a service ordinarily provided by government and that they lessen the burden of government by providing these services. She reminds people of Brianna and how physical fitness helps her. Happy to answer questions.
8 registrants in support, not wishing to speak.
QUESTIONS OF REGISTRANTS
Cnare - Asks about the ability to have birthday party there? Summers says that historically Turner's has had a banquet hall for funding to support other services. Have been working with city on this. Addressed the issue with the city. Says the entire building is 14,000 sqare feet, banquet hall is 4,680 sq ft. Says they also have volleyball leagues and space. Says that issue is more on the edge, but they tried to be reasonable. They said they agree the city can tax the banquet hall and volleyball and they are asking the city to provide a refund for 54% of improvements (not the banquet hall and volleyball) and the land.
Maniaci - Asks a question about the statute. She doesn't like it that only hockey is exempted in the ordiance. Wants all sports groups exempt. Asks about if it is a common practice to divide taxable and non-taxable parts of the property. [Ok, I was talking to someone, debating staying or cutting out and going to get a beer . . . ] Summers is explaining that it is a common practice to not have an all or nothing determination, law and supreme court case allows for partial determination.
Schmidt - asks if the IRS sees the Turners as fully non-profit. Summers says IRS says exempt for income tax purpose. So, says he's confused. He says assessors manual says may be assessed when partially taxable by IRS. She explains, if property has taxed income, that will correlate to taxation in WI, but not the only way that fed and state differ. Hospitals are exempt, but exclusion for commercial (fitness center, doctors office) not exempt. Use doesn't fit in state exemption.
QUESTIONS FOR STAFF
Kerr - question for Assessor or City Attorney - She says city attorney O'Brien told the council a few weeks ago that he evaluates these cases on a case by case basis. The answer is yes. She asks if there are no guidelines or policies for groups to look at to determine if they are exempt. They says they look at statutes and case law. No written policy on website or in assessors office? He says that they ask for information, and organizations provide the info they need based on what is listed on the form. She tries to ask again, uses example to help determine if they would be tax exempt - he says they just direct them to the statutes and require them to cite the statute that they qualify under. She asks if this can be simplified? He says its case by case. So, how do people have expectations? She says it sounds arbitrary, not that you are being arbitrary, but could be viewed that way. May interjects so the Assessor doesn't have to answers. He says the property assessment manual has factors they should look at. That might be the type of summary people might look for. Kerr asks if possible to post that? May says we could link to it. She says she is asking because she was struck by O'brien's testimony and says they were taken by surprise and wants to communicate more clearly? Assessor says can direct them to the manual, but difficult to put out information that would be clear to everyone who is seeking a exemption. [Yeah, he clearly doesn't want to do any more work. He basically was refusing to even try.]
Compton - asks if go to court, can they revert this back to 54% offered by the Turners? May says if court says they are educational they likely will. Says it is up to the court to decide, bottom line. Says if its a school, they'll get back their money, or at least up to 54% if that is what the court decides.
Cnare - Wants to know if we go to court will that be it, or will they be back again on another issue the next year or do they live by the court decision forever? May says yes. [Sounds a little crazy to me, since the city has been so aggressive with these cases, I don't believe it.] Cnare wants to clarify, he says yes [but starts backtracking and says . . . . ] unless there is a change in the operations. She asks if the assessor is bound as well? And will they look at everyone, every year? Yes, every other year the filings are required.
Maniaci - asks if there is anything in state statues that can be fixed, by changing youth hockey to youth sports, if state took out hockey language and then it might cover Turners? May says that could be done.
Solomon - asks May about a case he gave the council and how he decided Turners was more like Kicker's and explains the case was about if the group was more about recreation than education. Says he heard evidence tonight that sounds like Turners were different and wondering how that jives with the review your office did that seems inconsistent with what we heard. May says its not inconsistent. [Everyone is getting more an more skeptical, and May losing more credibility] May says it no about calling yourself educational and classes, he rattles off similarities in the cases such as physical education of students, health, organized sports, team work etc, almost exactly same arguments, that is the city attorney's bottom line.
Solomon -asks attorney for Turners- May interjects and says "I bet she'll disagree with me". He asks how they are different. She says that they have systematic instruction, formal or informal, available to general public, and they have services ordinarily provided by government. Basically they meet the criteria in state law. They are a school of gymnastics, they have not changed terminology or tried to cloak themselves in legal language. Solomon reads off goals in the case and says he doesn't see the goals of the Turner's being the same.
Solomon asks May - didn't see that Kickers case talk about distinction between educational institution vs recreation. May chastizes Solomon and tells him to "remember where we are", we have gone past 90 days, we can talk about substantive issues, but not in position to make those comparison tonght. [i.e. he avoids answering the question and falls back to the ruling he made that they can't talk about the issues.] He says of course there will be differences in the cases, court said that they are wonderful org and some educational value, but not the tax exempt question. Substantially and primarily devoted to educational is the test. He says physical education wouldn't be educational without rest of the school. [I missed a bit of what he said] May says you have no authority, next step is court. If come back next year you can take a look at it again.
Solomon says that doesn't leave him with a great deal of satisfaction.
MOTION
Manicaci - wants to add language to work on resolution in statute to have all sports exempt, not friendly. She makes a motion, no one seconds it. Cnare finally does [good alder buddy!!! New alders are assigned experienced alder buddies, Cnare is Maniaci's alder buddy].
DISCUSSION
Schumacher, says he understands that these decisions are not easy, these are great organizations doing great work. Also have property tax payers and if pursue policies to be agents of every org that seeks tax exemption, that means we are imposing more and more on property taxes on the fewer people who are paying them. Not about these establishments before us, somebody has to pay. Doesn't support exemption.
BACK TO QUESTIONS OF REGISTRANTS
Skidmore - apologizes, asks Summers about the amendment. She says she doesn't agree that this matter is out of the hands of the common council, the statute says that they governing body has to allow or deny, that didn't happen, that might limit what city can do. If a determination is made, says Council has the authority to make the claim. She says that in Milwaukee circuit court [I think she acknowledges that this isn't a binding case, but it is an example of a judge finding differently than May suggests] said that if not denied in 90 days, if doesn't follow law to letter, taxpayer rights are expanded. She talked about filing in court and if the city does settle she will be asking the vote to settle that action at 54%. Says amending the statute, that might be an option, but it might also not work out. Hate to leave it to potential legislative amendment. More direct for council to deny or vote to settle.
MOTIONS
Mayor explains the amendment is on the legislation.
Kerr, moves separation, but it is already separated, she explains she pushed her button a long time ago, button not working.
BACK TO DISCUSSION
Skidmore - passes.
Maniaci - passes.
Cnare - says she seconded but won't support it. Thinks Turner's has a good case. Clear definition, good works don't matter, but compelling information that indicates, despite kickers, if they go to court she thinks they will win and they City will learn a lesson.
Solomon - prefer we should give them their refund, same reasons as Cnare, understand where Maniaci is coming from, but agrees with Schumacher, we don't want to do that. Low income housing providers was an important place for us, but not athletic orgs.
Voice vote on the amendment - not a single vote in favor.
Back to the original motion.
MORE DISCUSSION/MOTIONS
Schmidt - could pontificate or substitute to grant the claim. Conflicting case law from two lawyers. Mayor says motion to grant the claim is not in order. [He and the city attorney are sticking to their overruling the Council] May says can't take a position unless he reads the case [I'm beginning what this guy gets paid for?]. May says he is concerned that this is before the council and doesn't tend to litigate before the council. All these are legal arguments that go to court, and then tells them again that they can't vote on to grant tonight.
Schmidt says right up against the deadline, and they found out about afterwards that they were out of order, its a mess and and he's "frustrated as hell". [It has been clear throughout the night, on multiple issues that the frustration of the continued staff blocks of actions they want to take is taking its toll on council members at a whole new level.] He brings back up the issue on the homeless property and asked why not take into account statute when presented back in October, says this is the same thing. He says he's been reading Kickers for two hours, said they were recreational, not in this case. Spent two or three pages talking about this. Wants to make his motion. Kerr seconds.
Kerr clarifies its a substitute.
Compton - clarify - going into last meeting, said they didn't know. Supported referral, because we didn't have the info they ahve now. Attonrey May said that if they did that, he warned us, Turners would have failed that night. THis window of time to prove they are a school, can we act on it, or should it go to court, vote to place on file so there is an official decision. Need sto be more solid for them, so not voting for the motion, but tends to agree to it. He told us three times during that meeting - it was tense, it was the only option Turners have.
Solomon clarifies if dollar amount is 54% in the motion. Palm groans, not sure what it was about but it distracts. Solomon asks if 54% is ok, Schmidt says people pressing to say yes, but he menat for it to be 100%. He comments that they are on shaky legal grounds, so why not. Statute is crazy, so sure, 54%, but his intent was otherwise. Objection to making it friendly. Amendment is to make it 54%. Solomon is called on to speak, but says he needs a minute.
Schumacher says we are debating things in state statute, May advised us last time that we are out of bounds, take it to court, organization has legal representation, [I'm sure that isn't cheap! Does he think all the non-profits can pay for that. If so, where does he think that money comes from?] He says that if you think this is hard, come to ALRC, constantly hitting our heads against the wall over state statute. Says they should take it to court. Says council should look to city attorney, not outside lawyers. [Maybe they would if he was credible, but he just keeps losing credibility.]
Mayor thanks Schumacher.
Rummel why Turners and not housing providers? May vote no on principle, but says I'm hungry, lets hurry up.
Mayor thanks Rummel as well. [He must be hungry too?]
Compton clarifies - Solomon amend to 54% and that they can't make another amendment.
Kerr won't vote in favor, worked hard on low-income housing. Legislative fix. Needed to take the strong stand to move the ball. Don't see that here. Respect Schmidt's assessment and the Turner's attorney, should place on file and she see's Schumacher's slippery slope. Can't support this. She differentiates this from the legislative fix.
BACK TO QUESTIONS OF STAFF
Solomon - two questions. If grant refund, what would it mean. You say we don't have the authority. May says he doesn't know what it means. [I'm pretty certain it means May will find a way to overrule the council again.] Solomon asks how we would know. If city wanted to go ahead and pursue. May says you'd have to get outside council.. May says action doesn't mean anything. [I thought so, why'd he say he didn't know?] Solomon asks if it goes to court to defend this, what will it cost. May says staff time, Walgreens and other cases took tremendous amount of time, this one is straightforward. Solomon says it will likely cost $14 - 15,ooo if goes to court, probably more in staff time. Says there are many good reasons to not place on file.
Bidar-Sielaff - if goes to court, will the council decide if they settle or it is fought aggressively? May says that settlement offer is made, has to bring it back to client. [That would be new. They settle cases all the time and they NEVER consult with the council.] She says there is an overwhelming sense that they do deserve tax exemption on the council. She suggests to go to court, settlement discussion will come back. Understand the frustrations in not taking final action, keeps coming back, deserve tax exemption, thinks it will settle it once and for all.
BACK TO DISCUSSION/MOTIONS
Mayor reminds, 54% is question. Cnare, says accept own offer, its what they asked for, its fair, we can set our own precedent. Pay half the bill and go home tonight. May shakes head.
Schmidt speaks to urge council members to kill the amendment and then he'd move to refer his motion for more info.
Mayor says only Solomon can refer. Schmidt is trying to clarify if what he wants to do is doable.
Mayor says May will not be here at the next meeting, so they need a longer referral. On this matter the Mayor says he wants May here. [Ya think? Always good to have a lawyer that is paid to give you the opinion that you want.]
Solomon amendment - voice vote fails [?].
Schmidt moves to amend motion to be referred to whenever May is available. He wants to hear Mays opinion on the issue of the 90 days and the issue that Summers brought up with the Milwaukee case. Kerr seconds for purposes of discussion. Checking May's availablility. July 7th is next date he will be here.
Rummel asks about how this impacts the Turners. She wants information or is it just academic? May says there are no appellate cases on the issue, only Milwaukee circuit court, doens't think it will have impact on his analysis. [No shit, he's clearly dug his heels in. He's being very stubborn and not serving the council at all, seems to just serve the Mayor.]
Voice vote - no's have it.
Back on original to place on file.
Compton tries to make an amendment. People are clearly not happy that she is trying to make an amendment. They are interrupting her. She finally explains that her motion is that if the Turners file in court, the common council will strongly consider request of 54% to the Turners. Originally, was going to settle at 54%, but this is a comfort resolution.
Mayor steps down from the chair. Bruer in the chair.
Schumacher says the city buys high, sell low. We're making a deal already, going into a court case telling the city attorney what the outcome is. He says they are tying the hands of the City attorney upfront. [Yes, I think they are, I think they are sending a strong message that the Assessor and City Attorney should not have been trying to make policy by aggressively pursing these cases.]
Compton clarifies that this is an amendment, not a substititue.
Bruer calls on "smoking Joe Claussius" - Claussius reminds people they have had this discussion, Attorney May said that they were on thin ice. Not supporting it. Says should go to court.
AND THE TRUTH COMES OUT- MAYOR DAVE WANTS THE TAXES!!
Bruer says this is the moment people have been waiting for and calls on Mayor Dave. The Mayor remarks that he is not sure anyone waiting for this moment. Understands and is sympathetic. Says body doesn't have authority. Attorney and Assessor interpret state law, for the Council to say they are wrong is extraordinary. Says it is an extreme mistake. He explains that the presumption is that land it taxable, and its up to the non-profits to make the case that they are exempt. In a few months we are going to debate the budget, and you're not going to be happy you don't have the money from these taxes then. These people don't want to pay their fair share. Attorney and assessor should make it hard. Very dangerous road to go down, to legislate here. City Assessor and Attorney can interpret law. He says he doesn't even like hockey, legislature can make that decision.
Compton repeats motion - Compton says doesn't prevent placing it on file, but we want to strongly consider exemption of 54%, not deciding outcome. [Yikes, I agree with Compton here and what she is trying to do.]
QUESTIONS OF STAFF AGAIN
Cnare question - if goes to court, court could determine otherwise something different even if we offer 54%. May makes it appear that they will. [Ok, he's a shittier attorney than I thought, he should have explained that it would be rare for the court not to agree to a stipulated agreement between the parties. Damn, the council really can't rely on this guy to give them good advice.]
Pham-Remmele says she has been sitting here patiently, putting up with debate, people like to hear themself speak, asks why are we going against city attorney and assessor, we are not qualified to decide the %, wants original language. [Again, she seems to think council is wasting time by debating issues.]
Schmidt says he respects city attorney and assessor, just disagrees. Whatever we decide, up to the court, this is just a strong suggestion, no a commitment.
Compton amendment fails on a voice vote.
Back to motion to place on file. They have a voice vote, chair rules the aye's have it. Roll call is requested.
AYE: Verveer, Bidar-Sielaff, Bruer, Clear, Cnare, Compton, Eagon, Kerr, King, Maniaci, Palm, Pham-Remmele, Rhodes-Conway, Schumacher.
NO: Rummel, Schmidt (with annoyance), Skidmore and Solomon
ABSENT: Sanborn
Passes 15 - 4.
SHADY WOOD NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT PLAN
118 - Adopting Phase 1 of the Shady Wood Neighborhood Development Plan as a supplement to the City of Madison Comprehensive Plan, and authorizing the City’s application to amend the Central Urban Service Area to include the Phase 1 development staging area identified in the plan.
#118 - Clear defers to Rummel, Rummel moves adoption, someone seconds.
PUBLIC TESTIMONY
Trachtenberg says if the motion is to adopt and Rummel makes it, won't speak.
Satya asks for clarification. Is she moving recommendation of plan commission or whole plan. Rummel says plan commission recommendation to move it along.
Tractenberg now wants to speak - says all the landowners support it. Phase A, Phase B & C and ice age trail interests all agree with Plan Commission.
There are 4 others wishing to speak and 2 in support. They ask if anyone else wants to speak.
Gempler speaks, says it is unnerving to let Ron [Trachtenberg] talk for him. Says Ron is correct. Prepared to speak, but everyone agrees with Plan Commission.
No one asks any quetions, no one further speaks.
QUESTIONS OF STAFF
Rummel speaks, says she was struck by Cnare voting now and asks Wiedelich if they are doing something unprecedented. Wiedelich says it is unique, we don't do this in phases, discussed 3 hours at parks and plan and in the end best solution to timing issues. Staff can accept it. Explains that they will adopt non-controversial part and that, yes, the city does plan for property outside the city.
Rummel says it's a plan until someone does a project, not for 50 years. Open space is conceptual, exact boundaries will be negotiated and worked out with property owners. Asks if plan will impact value of property? Weidelich says that is up to Gempeler.
DISCUSSION
Rhodes-Conway. Dosn't think they should do this - precedent. Disappointed staff thinks this is ok.
Cnare, sole no vote at Plan - very, very slippery slope where we will approve neighborhood plans with only a house or two. She says the beauty and discomfort is that it is critical that there are reasons we plan the way we do. Would rather wait. The planning process isn't over, its not ready. We should wait until we have a whole plan. She likens it to Thanksgiving, she says they are getting the marshmellow and jello salad, no turkey.
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